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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Sept 16, 2008 13:53:22 GMT -5
I guess there are good and bad people in this world. I will leave you this one to figure out. Okay... you prefer Nazis? That would make you... nevermind. That would make me what a Nazi? If by preferring Nazis to Greeks makes me a Nazi then so be it.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 16, 2008 17:17:54 GMT -5
Nhgadi,you're getting over your head again... you know you don't mean that stuff....
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Sept 16, 2008 18:54:48 GMT -5
Nhgadi,you're getting over your head again... you know you don't mean that stuff.... Perhaps I was but the truth is that in Southern Albania the only army that has wreaked havoc has been the Greek army, albeit briefly fortunately. However both my grandfathers fought against the Germans so I'm sure they weren't angels either.
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Post by partialfractions on Sept 23, 2008 18:04:32 GMT -5
There is your answer straight from the horses mouth.... The Albanians loved the Nazis .... aren't the Chams, Albanians? This should put this issue to sleep once and for all... I never want to hear another Albanian say otherwise,we have the proof. I knew the truth would come out. All I can say is that the Germans stayed in my ancestral village for a few days during WWII and didn't touch anyone. When the Greeks visited for a couple of days during WWI they burned the Moslem half of the village. That's what my grandparents told my parents; the germans portrayed a facade(whether warranted or not is matter of opinion) which made them seem disciplined, orderly and above all relatively non-threatening. I don't know if you(canaris) actually read the article but those things seemed to be clearly iterated. So you're sort of playing semantics when you say the Albanians loved the Nazis. Co-opting the modern meaning(fascist, racists etc.) without putting it into context of the time and the relationship between a relatively sheltered Albanian populace and well run German military. The correct way to phrase it I believe would be: The Albanians weren't pissed off at the Nazis because they generally didn't try to kill them or take their land. Btw, thanks for posting that toskali; I read it all the way through.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Dec 30, 2009 5:14:28 GMT -5
In general, the Nazis acted well in territories that were deemed "Aryan" or "partially-Aryan"... For instance only 5% of all American/British POWs were killed during the war... in comparison to over 35% of Soviet POWs (amounting to over 5 million people).
Albanian memory of the Nazis wasnt bad because for the most part Albanians were deemed "Aryan" (Nazis even had doctors come into the country to measure peoples skulls and all, not to mention a lot was done by rhetoric, talking about Albanian "Aryans" and how they dominated the Ottoman elites). So in all Albanian villages didnt, for the most part, suffer. However, what happened in villages all around Ukraine, Poland and Russia was another matter. The stories that came out of those areas are... well... less kind. The Wehrmacht was allowed complete freedom to act as they pleased there because the people were considered subhuman and inferior.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 30, 2009 5:54:44 GMT -5
What a pile of shite. The quality of your posts have just been ridiculously deteriorating lately. Nazi's treated Albanians better because they were more Aryan then slavs? lol I would not expect something so deluded from you. Albanians thinking they are more "white" then Ukrainians, Poles, Russians my God.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Dec 30, 2009 5:59:02 GMT -5
The Nazi organized their rhetoric accordingly. Slavic speaking Croatians were promoted as Aryans as well... so were Bosnians. Did they look any different to, say, Serbs? No, ofcourse not. It was more real politik than anything else. They just needed it to appeal to their racial rhetoric. Albanians, largely due to their animosity with Serbs, and generally our rhetoric and literature is filled to the brim with anti-Slav stuff (hell even our major epic poem is about a struggle between my people and the Shkja (Serb), the eternal Slavic enemy).
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 30, 2009 6:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah exactly but that's something totally different to your first post there.
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