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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 29, 2008 20:28:01 GMT -5
Who says most Vlachs are Greeks? Thats a big misconception. Speaking of "Vlachs" in Albania is deceiving since most dont see themselves as any different from the rest of the population. Maybe 2% of Vlach descended people speak Aromun and even there. A number of Vlachs have become more pro-Greek because of economic benefits but their self-identity is wildly Albanian is you actually speak to them. And yea, Korca is atleast 30-40% Vlach in origin. But as I said, few are aware of their origin and even fewer have any Vlach identity for that matter.
And Fara is definitely a Vlach surname... nevertheless she sees herself as Albanian and so she is thus.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 29, 2008 20:37:28 GMT -5
<Who says most Vlachs are Greeks?> says my neighbor who refused to speak to me in Albanian and only wanted to communicate in Greek ;D
Ilir post the video, and sure give me her number lmao dumb retard, she is a family friend. I already stated people in Korca have vlach, Cham, and Greek origin but most identify as Albanian and so does Eli Fara, being proud to be Albanian and Vlach are too different thing. it would not be a problem if their identity was linked to Romania but unfortunately those who have a vlach consciouss in Albania identify more with Greece and that is a no no
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 29, 2008 20:38:21 GMT -5
Albanians, until reletively recently, were migratory. Means that they followed their flocks around various regions. Slavs and Greeks, by contrast, were settled and thus had a better chance to make their placenames stick. In the same sense, you dont see many Vlach placenames in the Balkans. Yet they were everywhere. Nor any Saraktasani placenames in Bulgaria. However we did make our language stick in some places of Greece: Suli (peak) PS: Preveza was first mentioned in the Chronicle of Morea, which described the raids in the region by the Genoese in 1292 (Longnon, 1911, p. 253; Schmitt, 1967, p. 589). The etymology of the place-name Preveza reveals more about the demographic background of the region. In Albanian, prevëza or prevëzë is a small pass or crossing point. Clearly the name is linked to the passage of Albanian speakers on their journey from the north to the Greek region of Akarnania in the south (Fourikis, 1929 P. Fourikis, A small contribution to the history of Epirus. Nikopolis–Preveza. II. Preveza, Ipirotika Chronika 4 (1929), pp. 263–291 (in Greek).Fourikis, 1929, pp. 265–266; Kokona, 1977, p. 413).www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W4H-4D5W8PV-6&_user=681878&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=681878&md5=d29a94b1645d103aa3d0a9428fb48c66Cameria was used by both Greeks and Albs until recently. However once they were ethnically cleansed it dissappeared
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 29, 2008 20:52:33 GMT -5
<Who says most Vlachs are Greeks?> says my neighbor who refused to speak to me in Albanian and only wanted to communicate in Greek ;D Ilir post the video, and sure give me her number lmao dumb retard, she is a family friend. I already stated people in Korca have vlach, Cham, and Greek origin but most identify as Albanian and so does Eli Fara, being proud to be Albanian and Vlach are too different thing. it would not be a problem if their identity was linked to Romania but unfortunately those who have a vlach consciouss in Albania identify more with Greece and that is a no no I will send you her phone number and tell me what she says to you>
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 29, 2008 21:35:58 GMT -5
^^Ilir, unlike yourself, I am a non katunar so i'm not going to fall for your dumb tricks ;D post the video or STFU. btw u still didn't answer what part of Ko your familia is from? You said you were from Fieri, Fieri is a katund compared to my city so stfu retard, you are one of those albanians who move to greece and change their name from Pirro Dhima to Pirros Dhimas coz you think greeks are more civilized then your retarded ass, it is because of retards like you that Albania will not be progressing! It is not a trick, that is her cell phone number, call her with a private number and you will see that she will answer you! I cannot post the video because it is not mine, but call the number if you dont believe or dont eat s**t, I am not a liar like you communists, I always tell the truth. Check the last name Demiri from Korce and eat mut!
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 29, 2008 21:42:52 GMT -5
I never said I'm from Fieri....Fieri is the most industrialized city in Albania very far from being a katund unlike your city I'm not going to call some random phone number some asshole I don't know posts on some random forum... what does Pirro Dhima have to do with Fieri? Or Eli Fara?? or Vlachs??? Je ne metro apo e ke kthyer ndonje gllenjke? You're the one saying half of Korca is Vlach, I'm telling you it's not, not the city, all the self-identifying vlachs have their little villages, and like Pirro Dhima their self identification is Greek You said you were going to post the video, do it, or STFU!
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 29, 2008 21:57:08 GMT -5
Ilir, listen to this song "Arapke moj" do u think Korca is Arabic now?
fools. how to do you expect to prove Epirotes are Albanian when you don't even believe people in southern Albania are just Albanian without being vlach, etc etc.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 29, 2008 22:00:20 GMT -5
when you call the number then we can talk, until then all i see is bunch of letters being written by enver hoxha.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 29, 2008 22:09:55 GMT -5
nice try Ilir A. I'm not calling any number you message me. Ever. Sorry to disappoint you B. You don't know Eli Fara, you can just post the video where she said she is "a proud Vlach" she is a celebrity, no big deal. C. Keep Korca (and Fieri) and other cities you have no idea out of your filthy mouth. I don't claim to know about vlachs, minorities etc. in Kosova, Yugoslavia, I hate to repeat myself, but you should do the same.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 29, 2008 22:31:26 GMT -5
ore ty te qifte balli kombetar, a e din ti cfar do te thote *67 private calling apo skeni telefona juve? lol
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 29, 2008 22:48:55 GMT -5
Several of my neighbors in Tirana were Vlachs from the south, all of them spoke Albanians and communicated with other Albs as if there was no difference between the two. What you probably ran into was a descendant of Farsariots. They were Greek identifying Vlachs from Voskopoje(who migrated out of it during the various tribulations the city suffered both from rivaling factions within and attacks from without) .
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 29, 2008 23:19:50 GMT -5
Lets see what the epirotes really feel?
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 29, 2008 23:26:42 GMT -5
As I said, the idea that Albanians are Epirots is largely a Medieval construct. Im not sure how exactly it was created but probably through regionality. This continued until the 19th century, hence why Barleti calls Albania "Epirus" and in fact has difficulty distinguishing between the two. It was especially common in Italy to refer to Albs as such.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 29, 2008 23:33:05 GMT -5
Ilir pe Korce je vertet? I bet you're one of those vlachs or religious Orthodox Korcars that love Ellada more than ur halla lmao Te qifte partia e punes, bashke me xhaxhin!! ;D Dude just post the video for THE LAST TIME
Toskali, he was a villager, not surprisingly pe Boboshtice, of course if they live in Albania they speak Albanian, and of course regular people won't get into a war, just saying my neighbor used to say "It's not like I can't speak "Skip" but I don't want to" lol Skip dumb villager.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 30, 2008 0:07:47 GMT -5
o kok trash merr vesh ti nuk eshte videoja time edhe nuk kam kohe. Origjinen e familjes nga nena e kam nga rethi i korces, nga babai nga rethi i kolonjes, prinderit jan lindur ne prespe thanks to enver deporting my grandpa edhe une ne Manastir dhe jetonja atije. Jam ateist te qift titoja me partizanet e tij. Partizani ne luft po shkonte ka mar karin me nje dor, ME NJE DOR, po ja fuste proleteriatit mun ne byth, MUN NE BYTH!
E ke lexuar "Pulat e Petritit" ne abetare te qifte memet shehu ne vesh? lol
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 30, 2008 9:20:08 GMT -5
Haha yes Albania needs more Iliris... ;D ;D
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Post by rex362 on Oct 30, 2008 9:30:01 GMT -5
WOW Ilir ....your Albanian writing has greatly improved through the years here...
ore ty te qifte balli kombetar
ahahhahaahhhahaha ` ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 30, 2008 11:22:37 GMT -5
Ilir, te rrente zjarri qe i ra klisit dhe te befte lugat, you mean to tell me xhaxhi Enver deported your entire family? Thanks for the good laugh.
I have a more serious question, were all of Korca and Kolonja's rejects deported to Macedonia?? ;D ;D
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Post by lozonjare on Oct 30, 2008 14:20:52 GMT -5
I never said I'm from Fieri....Fieri is the most industrialized city in Albania very far from being a katund unlike your city I'm not going to call some random phone number some A*****e I don't know posts on some random forum... what does Pirro Dhima have to do with Fieri? Or Eli Fara?? or Vlachs??? Je ne metro apo e ke kthyer ndonje gllenjke? You're the one saying half of Korca is Vlach, I'm telling you it's not, not the city, all the self-identifying vlachs have their little villages, and like Pirro Dhima their self identification is Greek You said you were going to post the video, do it, or STFU! Actually most Vlachs from Korce identify as Albanian or Romanian, my aunt is married to a Korcar Vlach and he identifies as Albanian, most of his family does as well. Just because some Vlachs get money from Greece, doesn't necessarily mean they think of themselves as Greek.
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Post by lozonjare on Oct 30, 2008 14:25:38 GMT -5
How can "Epirote" be a nationality, what language is Epirote, Albanian, Vlach, or Greek? If Epirote is a seperate nationality, than so is Kosova(Dardania) and Macedonia/Makedonia.
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