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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 21:43:06 GMT -5
if your going to debate, please make sure you have modern studies, not 18-19th century romances (unless you have travelogue or ethnographic cuz they can be pretty helpful to an extent). Otherwise its really annoying to have to give background info on the writing and conceptions of the author... I used to do it way too much in the old forum... its not fun...
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Nov 28, 2008 22:51:55 GMT -5
What I wanted to know is who invented pants? How about shoes with laces? How about wool beanies? How about T-SHIRTS?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 28, 2008 23:28:07 GMT -5
Coming of the Arabs means the Egyptian fleet an Navarino... Then it should have been "The comming of the Egyptians" and not "The comming of the Arabs" I’m not here to debate about the Fustanella, I came on this topic to inform you of Clair, William book, this individual is misguided similar to Eugene Borza. As Eugene Borza misses a few facts at times also when it comes to the Macedonians “an example” such as the Greek etymology of the word Macedonian. This Clair, William has made a lot of errors if you have seen more of his book as I have found on another history site, has made some rather idiotic statements which do not fit in with true reality but based more on his opinions alone, it appears this way !. Besides this has been discussed to death and has been proven it is not an Albanian dress or garment what ever you want to call it. But more of a Byzantinum dress or garment, I believe during the Greco and Roman times. This is getting really old and when an idea or theory is shown to be false, it should be cast to the wayside, not placed upon a pedestal and continued on and on blah blah. .
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 23:44:40 GMT -5
Thats just nitpicking. Egyptians are Arabs and the title could just be about a greater affect in using the term 'Arab', which encompasses far more than just Egyptian.
Nobody wore pants in antiquity in the Greek or Roman world. Yet there has never been an active awareness of the clothing we are discussing as somewhat distinct.
Yet what Gerolymatos and Finlay point to is an active awareness of a distinct clothing used by a certain group which popularizes. They can mark out where and when the popularization came.
What I am discussing is an active wear that the person recognizes as distinct to the ethnicity. Which is exactly what the Fustanella became.
But anyway, since you dont want to debate, thats just as well... I wasnt exactly eager for it.
Thats exactly what the problem is, you think its false and disproven... which is exactly the opposite. So far I have not found a single author on the issue, and I rather trust Gerolymatos as he has been very level in his books and his scholarship on this topic is pretty strong, that says this exactly: that it was an ancient.
Its all too common for people in this forum to take in only what they want to see and ignore everything else, to act as if it doesnt exist. I have admitted in the past to realities which dont please Albs and generally dont care to hide realities or facts. On the contrary, for me history is history and what happens happens. Yet Im still labeled a liar or a falsifier when I present things the other side doesnt like.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 29, 2008 0:03:41 GMT -5
I would not call you a lair like the others may, you know me by now, besides I like you hence why I was warning you about this author. Hey can we set you up with a good Albanian girl ? You’re mature enough to settle down and raise a family now ?
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 29, 2008 0:09:30 GMT -5
Lol, Im too selfish and self-centered to have children... nah, plus I dont think I would be a good husband... A mixture of impatience, bad temper and A*****e-syndrome. Plus I lack compromising skills... so as you can see, it wouldnt work.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 29, 2008 2:29:46 GMT -5
Peloponnessos, Greece (1830) Albanian warriors introduced the foustanella into the Peloponnese region. Created by special tailors, this garment measured up to 40 yards around and was made of white linen panels which were covered with fat for waterproofing. A short, richly decorated jacket worn over a full-sleeved white shirt, embroidered leggings or white stockings, a sash and fez completed the outfit. The women wears a misofori or muslin petticoat, and a kalpaki on her head, with a fancy tassle. A silk gown over a fine chemise with an embroidered front showed a low neckline. Over this was worn a short, fitted velvet jacket embroidered with gold braid. We communicate who we are and what we do through our clothing. Climate, function, wealth, custom, peer influence, religious belief, ceremony or special occasion, law and personal choice all determine how we dress. The clothing depicted in Flora Ormsby Smith's appliqués reflects the geography, history, and social conditions of the people in the cultures represented. Of the twelve works, the Kampuchean (Cambodian) and Lithuanian pieces illustrate religious dress, while the other ten panels show how people dressed daily during a particular historical period. These fabric appliqués only begin to suggest the variety of clothing styles in these countries through the ages. Greece has more than 35 national costumes and the Soviet Union many more. Certain articles of clothing are repeated in various nations such aprons, sashes, pouches, and embroidery. In several works the figures are shown dancing. The temple dancer of Kampuchea is posed mid-step and mid-gesture; the Irish couple demonstrates a traditional jig; the man and woman from Malapolska are dancing the Krakowiak; and the Swedish panel illustrates a circle dance known as the Varsovienne, in which many couples dance in a double circle with women on the outside and men on the inside. library.uml.edu/clh/Tex/Tex4.Html
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 29, 2008 3:34:46 GMT -5
E Coli, I couldnt care less about this crap really... who wore a dress first, does that really need to be argued? I just like making these queers fume over not having everything their way... Thats prolly the worst misusage of the word p**y Ive seen to date... A p**y can be used in this sense: 'Cmon fight me p**y!' 'You dont want to come? Ahhh you p**y!' 'f**k me, p**y!' Not 'Man you too are such p**ies arguing over such a redundant issue!' English is not my native language like yours (you were born in the USA), so I have the right to make such mistakes.
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Post by mendor on Nov 29, 2008 13:34:46 GMT -5
Fus+tan Fus=Cover
Myska e tha nje gje me vend me duket ;D
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Post by Dragos Voda on Nov 30, 2008 1:08:00 GMT -5
Fus + ta Fus = spindle
Fusta= fabric made using a spindle
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Post by ioan on Nov 30, 2008 12:16:40 GMT -5
in bulgarian fusta means ladies skirt. but its an old word, we use pola more now instead of fusta How do you say gentleman's skirt in Bulgarian? we use the same word, but it is not accepted for a man to wear a skirt in Bulgaria. at least i ve never heard of a national male dress that included a skirt.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 30, 2008 14:29:22 GMT -5
Fustanella its clearly a italian-venetian word. F. was a common warrior's costume during the byzantine times and it goes back to roman times or even earlier. As you understand Greeks wouldn't adopt something from the varvarous Albos or other Balkanians...
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Post by mendor on Nov 30, 2008 15:04:25 GMT -5
Patrino ne po te themi ja ku eshte ujku e ti na tregon gjurmet.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 30, 2008 15:30:16 GMT -5
Mendora,Greket eshte ujkun e ti na mut ;D
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Nov 30, 2008 16:37:35 GMT -5
Hey patrinos Venetians is pure Albanian word which means ethnic people that live in their homeland. Veneti=Homeland (Vendi) Messapian (Alb-Illyrian) is the language that Venetians been speaking. Messapians means Myself Mysian the Universal God !!!!! As I Said Fustan-ella is pure Albanian word means dress that covers the body. Fus+tan Fus=Covering tan=allbody Albanian is God's only speaking language.
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