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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 23, 2008 21:22:05 GMT -5
ca info per te madhin Fan Noli:
Theofan (Fan) Stilian Noli (January 6, 1882 - March 13, 1965) was an Albanian politician, writer and founder of the Albanian Orthodox Church, who served as prime minister and regent of Albania in 1924.
Fan Noli is venerated in Albania as a champion of literature, history, religion, diplomacy, music and national unity. He also contributed to the English-language literature with a number of publications on Scanderbeg, Shakespeare, Beethoven, religious texts and translations.
He acquired his education at Harvard and was ordained priest in 1908, establishing thereby the Albanian Church and elevating the Albanian language to ecclesiastic use. He briefly resided in Albania after the 1912 declaration of independence. After World War I, Noli led the diplomatic efforts for the reunification of Albania and received the support of U.S. President Wilson. Later he pursued a diplomatic-political career in Albania, successfully led the Albanian bid for membership in the League of Nations.
A respected figure who remained critical of corruption and injustice in the Albanian government, Fan Noli was asked to lead the 1924 June Revolution. He then served as prime minister until his revolutionary government was overthrown by Ahmet Zogu. He was exiled to Europe and permanently settled in the United States in the 1930s, acquiring U.S. citizenship and agreeing to end his political involvement. He spent the rest of his life as an academician, religious leader and writer.
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Post by servus on Dec 23, 2008 21:40:19 GMT -5
Fan Noli studied in Greece, Egypt(Alexandria), Italy and then he studied furthermore in USA (Harvard) Great Man
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Post by servus on Dec 23, 2008 21:47:35 GMT -5
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Post by servus on Dec 23, 2008 21:56:02 GMT -5
Some Old Pics Fan Noli pas meshes se pare ne Shen Gjergj, 1908 Shen Gjergji sot
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 24, 2008 2:49:22 GMT -5
A man with strong socialist tendencies, along with the fact that he once stated that : "The whole truth is in Omar Khayyam" and became leader of Albania through a Kosovar influenced coup and promoted his reforms in a strong armed manner which did considered any means necessary in order to bring about a better state. Reforms which included a democratic constitution, liberation of the peasantry from the tyranny of the nobility, etc. etc. A man who sided with Muslim ethnic kin over his religious kin and sought nothing other than a strong and happy Albania.
The man was amazing. I wish he had ruled Albania for 45 years instead of Hoxha. Think of where we would be today if he hadnt wasted much of his life broke, teaching Byzantine music.
RIP Noli... we did not deserve you..
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Post by servus on Dec 24, 2008 3:41:36 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better Melty.
One misconception though. Although his writing had socialist tendencies, they were influenced by the Great Depression slowly creeping America. If Fan Noli was alive today, he would be considered more correctly a liberal.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 24, 2008 3:55:19 GMT -5
His socialist views far preceded anything regarding the great depression, or any kind of hints towards it. The man was one of the first to sponsor a Soviet embassy during his rule in the early 20's, which opened in Albania (one of his biggest mistakes). His socialist views, are considered at least, to be the byproduct of the social issues which plagued Tosks in Albania: large landowing elites, Beys such as Verlaci, who dominated over a mass of Muslim and Orthodox peasantry.
This is why so many of the socialists in Albania were from the south, Noli was part of this. He implored America to recognize Enver as quickly as possible.
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Post by libofshe on Dec 24, 2008 6:37:33 GMT -5
a true patriot, he embodies everything albanians have aspired to be and his legacy lives on in every one of us through religeous tolerance and national identity over skin deep differences, Noli has shaped the model of the present day albanian, he was a true visionary and tiredlessly helped promote and fight for the albanian cause, i bow to his legacy!
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Post by highduke on Dec 24, 2008 8:46:37 GMT -5
Wow! You deleted all of my replies in this thread where I observed that Fan Noli was a coward for stopping his criticism of injustice & corruption in Albania in exchange for US citizenship. He is what 'everything Albanians aspire to be'? Fan Noli is an opportunist & a coward & this is what Albanians aspire to!? You are a sad pathetic nation
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 24, 2008 9:29:12 GMT -5
^^ For once it was not me, you either keep non-insult comments or you wont be having any comments left.
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Post by highduke on Dec 24, 2008 10:05:24 GMT -5
Nothing is wrong with insulting people when they deserve it like this Fan Noli guy or the individuals who respect him. I didnt know that Fan was such a hypocrital opportunist, though or that he lobbied for Enver despite the fact that Orthodox clergy & believers were locked up & tortured by the Sigurimi & Orthodoxy was banned, with churches turned into stables & warehouses. How can you admire this short-sighted coward?
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 24, 2008 12:29:01 GMT -5
I agree with what Libofsha said, very well put mate! I dont agree with "Good Ol' Melty" not suprisingly lol, Noli may have had Communist or SOcialist tendencies but not the Hoxha ones, lets not forget hes oringins are in Korca, and there was a huge difference between Communists in Korca and Hoxha Communists... he supported the regime however idk, maybe because he didnt want Albania to be invaded by its neighbors? highduke, Noli was not a opportunist, but hes extremely important figure especially for Orthodox Albanians, and especially those Orthodox Albs from Korca who say theyre Greek Orthodox...he is someone they can look up because th Orthdox in Albania will eventually face conversion or annexation if they look up to Noli tehy can say hey I can be Orthodox and Albanian at the same time lol pozdrav brate
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Post by highduke on Dec 24, 2008 13:08:42 GMT -5
Noli was a an opportunist, WTF do you call not speaking out against injustice & corruption in exchange for US citizenship? This guy should have been defrocked as a priest but in Eurochechnia, he is a hero to the pederastic descendants of Skenderbeg's traitors.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 24, 2008 15:35:40 GMT -5
Noli didnt come from Korca, his origins are from Kolonja and he himself came from the Albanian Christian community of Turkish Thrace. His descendants live in Greek Thrace today in the Albanian Orthodox community of Evros, all of whom openly stated that they came to Thrace in the 17-18th century from Kolonja... dont know where you got that he was from Korca.
And I didnt say he was a Communist. Noli had socialist values but they were founded on a social-democratic ideal. He was a progressive. His socialist ideals were part of*growing southern Albanian reality which saw a large portion of the population becoming disgruntled with the landowning minority. He was extremely philo-American and adopted their constitution. He wanted the Albanian state to modeled on America.
He did it so America wouldnt consider recognizing Zog.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 24, 2008 17:08:50 GMT -5
once again u have no idea what u r talking about. Stop ruining my topic with your propaganda youre worse then the Serb...no u didnt say hes a communist but u made it seem as if he was one of xhaxhi's biggest fans which is a lie.
i know all about Fan Noli's life story, i never said he was from Korca i said he has origins there and he does, throughout Albania hes known as a famous Korcar not a "kolonjar" kolonja is basically a village of Korca lol...plus not to mention Noli was bishop of Korca and theres a university in Korca called "Fan Noli" just like theres one called "Themistokly Germenji" whos another famous Korcar.
You have just been schooled. hey highduke are u sure ur a SErb? cause i know a Serb and he says he respects me just like other Orthodox peopel even tho we dont agree about Kosovo. and we didn't betray Skenderbeg, on the contrary dont u think, Albanians are more united then ever eh? ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 24, 2008 17:29:37 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? Kolonja is its own place, its not dependent on the chauvinists at Korca. And he is regularly considered part of the Kolonjar nationalists, along with the Frasheri brothers, the Qiriazis etc. etc. Later on Korca imposed on Kolonja.
He was bishop of Korca because the Bishopric there is very important. On top of that political life revolved around the urban area of Korca.
I dont see how I got owned, when his family admitted their Kolonjar origins.
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Post by highduke on Dec 24, 2008 18:36:02 GMT -5
Search 'erseke' on Wiki. Not only is Fan mentioned as a Kolonjar, not a Korcar but as a man who was friendly with Enveri & lobbied for his regime, enough for McCarthy to have a file on him, making him a failed priest, an opportunist & a creep, so GAYdolfkarderi got owned by Melty just like he got owned by me when I posted the article about Turkey lobbying for Kosovo in the UN next year.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 25, 2008 16:18:54 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? Kolonja is its own place, its not dependent on the chauvinists at Korca. And he is regularly considered part of the Kolonjar nationalists, along with the Frasheri brothers, the Qiriazis etc. etc. Later on Korca imposed on Kolonja. He was bishop of Korca because the Bishopric there is very important. On top of that political life revolved around the urban area of Korca. I dont see how I got owned, when his family admitted their Kolonjar origins. Let's just say you're wrong about everything you said.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 25, 2008 16:20:08 GMT -5
Search 'erseke' on Wiki. Not only is Fan mentioned as a Kolonjar, not a Korcar but as a man who was friendly with Enveri & lobbied for his regime, enough for McCarthy to have a file on him, making him a failed priest, an opportunist & a creep, so GAYdolfkarderi got owned by Melty just like he got owned by me when I posted the article about Turkey lobbying for Kosovo in the UN next year. hey highDYKE how many peopel u knoe call themselfes ErseKAR??? thats right they always say they from Korca when talking to peopel whor not from those regions so STFU and go sniff Milosevic's bones or somthing.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 25, 2008 16:39:53 GMT -5
Kolonja doesnt have much olf an urban center, your right.
However, many Korcars today have their origins in Kolonja...
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