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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 5:21:36 GMT -5
i have come to conclusion that Albanians have no real allies. Our best bet is to side with logic and whoever supports logic. Naturally our best bet is to side with the western countries that support us.
My analysis Serbs : (indocrtined idiotic slavic population that plagues balkans) Croats : (same chit slavic big headed invadors) Bosniak Muslims: (they are not a nation, and would probably stab us in the back) Fyromians: (they are serbulgarians, another indoctrinated slav population) Yugoslavia: (biggest piece of sh*t project in Europe that resulted in war and embarrassment for the whole Balkan peninsula) Greeks: (they are too busy burning Athens and brown-nosing serbs) Turks: (Albs are secular; they are not as a result conflict of interest)
So, what remains of our allies is really the west. This is another reason why Albs should always be opportunistic and always switch sides to serve their interest. Because there is nobody we can trust or who understand us, tis is better for us to seize every opportunity we can to succeed.
Also we should remain true to our values and strong moral code not to be degenerated like our neighbours have in face of modernity. Dont forget, we are Albanians, and We are our own best friends.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 5:28:28 GMT -5
no offense, but ur not very bright.... at least based off of these conclusions. Again, alliances are all based on interests....
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Post by tejkqyre on Dec 22, 2008 5:28:44 GMT -5
po nuk deshe veten ste do njeri po nuk respektove veten ste respekto njeri ne sdum as respektoj veten
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 5:33:44 GMT -5
tejkqyre, fol per veten tende. ti nuk do dhe nuk respekton veten tende.
prandaj duhen njerez si puna ime ti thojne gjerat troc
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 5:39:27 GMT -5
Good Ol' Melty, i agree alliances are based to be more specific on short-term interest. For now our interest is in the West and its currently the only ally we have for the moment, until another one comes. So we have no true friends in the sense of it.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 5:45:15 GMT -5
Who is the west? We cant just focus outside, we also need long term ones within...
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 5:48:34 GMT -5
long-term ones cannot be established by collapsing interests(rarely happens). Those alliances have a more personal character to it (like common religion, common values, or history).
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 6:04:17 GMT -5
Generally, those you dont border are not going to be clash much with you... at least this is how it is Balkans wise and since Albania is too small to amount to to anything great, it will always remain a regional entity whose significance will end outside the western portion of the Balkans.
Obviously our relations will our immediate neighbors will always be rocky and I will never be able to bring myself to trust Greeks, Macedonians or Montenegrins... ever... however when it comes to nations like say Croatia, which have shown large amount of support during the last two decades, or Turkey, for the last 2 decades as well, then I would say those are long-term associations we should try and keep or expand upon.
Edhe hiqe kto sharje kunder Kroatet se ate skan dhe asnji keq ndaj neve deri tani.
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 6:11:54 GMT -5
I dont get your logic. I dont see any difference between any ex-yugoslav countries. Whats the difference between Mont. & Cro? They are both slavic with same mentality. Both produced deranged war-criminals. Both pursue own national interest and would dupe you if anything goes wrong. Too small can be used for any Balkan country.
You need to stop living on the bubble of Illyria Forums. We have no Allies, just short-term temporary ones in which our interest happen to collapse.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 22, 2008 6:17:04 GMT -5
lol maybe you's should start looking at your own flaws then instead of pointing out your neighbours
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 6:18:38 GMT -5
One borders us and is Serbian and the other doesnt and is not... get it? What their ethnicity is or your perceived ethnic characteristics are insignificant.
Skoric, he isnt pointing fingers, he is trying to assess... In a rather half-assed manner at that...
PS: Im not quite so sure you and karderi are different people.
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 6:21:48 GMT -5
One borders us and is Serbian and the other doesnt and is not... get it? What their ethnicity is or your perceived ethnic characteristics are insignificant.
Actually one perceives themselves as Montenegrin and the final result is that both have recognized Kosovo. Isn't this the "interest" you were talking about earlier before?
I assure you there is no difference between these two. Sad part is that we probably have most in comon with mont.serbs.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 6:24:20 GMT -5
Montenegro's recognition is entirely unstable and can be overturned as soon as the current Ruler of the country loses power in some way, the population is wholeheartedly against the recognition as are various opposing political groups (which normally themselves do not get along) whereas by contrast polls in Croatia and Turkey show widespread support. In Montenegro barely 15% support recognition.
Not to mention the history between Montenegro and Albania are far from strong: there is mutual distaste for each group (go to Shkoder and ask them what they think of the Podgoricans).
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 22, 2008 6:29:04 GMT -5
^ and that 15% is mostly minorities
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 6:30:46 GMT -5
^ that is not very convincing as the public opinion in both countries bashes my people. i think Albs should be less careful to jump on the bandwagon when somebody mention those specific countries. "Oh they are our allies, we love them bla bla". We have done much more for them than vice-versa.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 6:36:24 GMT -5
Your arguments are far less convincing. Its not our business what Yugoslavs did to each other during the war... not our business at all.
Then I doubt you should trust the west either... since the bashing doesnt end at the Balkans...
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Post by servus on Dec 22, 2008 6:40:50 GMT -5
How do you expect to make an alliance with "states" that do no respect their own kind by killing each other? What kind of potential future do you see in it. Thats like making friends with a psychopath because your "interest" are colliding, untill he kills you too at the end. Goddamn right yugoslav war affects Albs as well.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 22, 2008 6:50:05 GMT -5
Agh, your senseless arguments are giving me a headache. Im convinced now that your Karderi. We make an alliance the same way every nation does. Same way China does with Sudan, America with every murderous south American dictator. Their killing each other, not us... it ends there. Should we snuff Germany cuz of WWII? Yea, Id like to see that happen. Then what do you make of America? Lets not get started on the war crimes and human rights violations there. If you dont want to start with the native Americans, then look at the Philippines, Vietnam, and now in Iraq.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 22, 2008 12:15:12 GMT -5
tejkqyre, fol per veten tende. ti nuk do dhe nuk respekton veten tende. prandaj duhen njerez si puna ime ti thojne gjerat troc jo ai ka shume te drejte, po njerez agallare me 8 klase si puna jote nuk jane te afte te kuptojne se po nuk pate rrespekt per veten tende ske si mund te kesh rrespekt per te tjeret. dhe ata nderkohe nuk kane pse te kene rrespekt per ty. keshtu qe ti kur flet per "slavet" apo per kedo tjeter ne menyre negative dhe i fut te tere ne nje thes, tregon nivelin tend te ulet
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 22, 2008 12:18:20 GMT -5
I think Romania and the West are the best allies for Albania. I hate the Turkish govt and policies and everything it stands for (not the people just their government) I think alliances with slavic neighbors or slavic nations at all obviously contradict Albanians and I dont see Croatians as being that different from Serbs... and Greece, well the people are cool I guess but their government, well sometimes I think Greece is our biggest enemey, maybe even biger than Serbs lol...
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