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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 28, 2009 0:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 28, 2009 2:27:33 GMT -5
Do you like them all of a sudden?
One thing is sure...when we expelled them....we expelled our brothers....
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 28, 2009 3:06:06 GMT -5
You expelled only the muslim part of my grandfather's family and kept his orthodox ones
this and much more shows how fake your nation is, built on a religious sect by some pedophile priests which keep like getting rich by stealing hundreds of millions of public property and funds and you kiss their hands
talk about idiots
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 28, 2009 3:21:35 GMT -5
Our people is not less fake than yours. The Chams were ethnic Greeks to a great extent, thats what I meant with brothers...I dont really consider them ethnic Albanians.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 28, 2009 3:47:32 GMT -5
^^^ I espescially like how they have the amercian flag. for 2 reasons...
1) Americans are the first to take land ( indians ) without compensation ;D
2) They hold it up and high as if they need help from a big brother ;D ;D
Irony is bliss....
kastor, den enousa tipota sto allo thread me ton annittas. mallon den me katalaves ti eithela na po...
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Post by filomen on Apr 28, 2009 5:29:22 GMT -5
So as they are your brothers why Greek gov. didnt gave them land back???
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 28, 2009 6:09:08 GMT -5
I see American flags,EU flags... Where are the proper cham flags?:
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 28, 2009 6:27:08 GMT -5
because they are brainwashed. And this not since they were expelled to Albania...but since Ottoman times when they converted to Islam.
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 28, 2009 7:33:02 GMT -5
At least they're not as brainwashed as the Arvanites and the Vlachs in Greece.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 28, 2009 9:00:32 GMT -5
keto camet me duken tamam si greker ka mundesi qe vasil bollano te jete edhe kryetari cameve
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 28, 2009 9:29:27 GMT -5
Do you like them all of a sudden? One thing is sure...when we expelled them....we expelled our brothers.... he probably doesnt like them as most Albanians dont out of ignorance or jealousy. but they hate Greece more so now everyone cares about the Cham issue. even though some Albanians still think of Chams as Greeks
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Post by alb12345 on Apr 28, 2009 10:08:22 GMT -5
Feel sorry for Chams they let down by our goverment. berisha a traitor he never has and never be a patriot. aslickers a lillte poppets that what most of politicans are in albania. chams issue will never end as long as 250.000 chams will fight for they rights. what is ours is ours chameria(epiri) is albania
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 28, 2009 10:32:35 GMT -5
what is ours is ours chameria(epiri) is albania Exactly what Shqiperi means Eagle with Epiri. Shq+iperi Shq=Eagle iperi=Epiri
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 28, 2009 10:56:28 GMT -5
Do you like them all of a sudden? One thing is sure...when we expelled them....we expelled our brothers.... I dont care about the Cam issue. I just like their spirit. They are more nationalistic today than 3/4 of Albanians. They have been despised in the past, but the future looks good for them today. They are becoming the most adored people in Albania.
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Post by donnie on Apr 28, 2009 14:44:21 GMT -5
Nobody gives a fvck what you think, what matters is their own sense of identity. They identify themselves as Albanians, and the common denominator of all Chams I've had the honour to acquaint was their unquestionable patriotism. Their contempt for Greece and the Greeks is without match.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 28, 2009 15:07:18 GMT -5
They will never get their lands from government pacts. It would be just plain stupid from the greek government to give land to thousands of people at the same time. Even if the government in Greece was made of Albanians they wouldn't do that. It would bring too much conflict. We do not want conflict. As much as they might have all their documents, the Cams and their societies should stop wasting their energies and refocus. What they should do is hire a big hotshot of a lawyer. Find someone from the Cam community that has the best and most complete documents. This person's lands should be somewhere were land is dirt cheap in Greece and where people don't really live there. Then with this hotshot of a lawyer, preferably British, argue the case in front of the international court. Once a precedent exists then argue the other cases individually. This strategy is more successful than protesting. Nobody in Greece is stupid enough to say to 250 000 Cams, yes you can come in and here are your lands. Since the Cams in Albania are among the richest in our society today, they should refocus and find other ways. We as Albanians do not want a conflict with Greece over this issue, and I am sure the average Greeks do not want conflict with us. Go to the Hague and argue the case there if you hope to get something back. If not you can gather as many times as you want in the Skenderbej square, you ain't getting $hit.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 28, 2009 17:17:01 GMT -5
alb1234 "Feel sorry for Chams they let down by our goverment. berisha a traitor he never has and never be a patriot. aslickers a lillte poppets that what most of politicans are in albania. chams issue will never end as long as 250.000 chams will fight for they rights. what is ours is ours chameria(epiri) is albania " -------------------------------------------------- I agree with you alb1234. Fu.ck that Grecophil Berisha! Just take a rifle and come to take what it was yours sicne ancient times you were worhsiping Gods in Dodoni! . Just take that riflle....
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 28, 2009 17:23:56 GMT -5
redbaron No.. no... not very good idea. If anyone in Europe accepts that... that means that every winner of WW2.. has to give back lands or every looser or the ones who stayed out of WW2. I dont thing you have a chance with that. We won in WW2.... your king was out... and even more... Chams were with the loosers. So... I dont see any chance except... French decide to give some land back to Germany... Polish decide to give some land back to German citizens.... etc`etc .. Ah.. and by the way.. about the "British Lawyers".... Turks had the same idea ( ).. about giving to British Lawyers the cases where British citizens bought from Turks land that belonging before the invation in Cyprous to G-Cyrpiots. Today the final decision came out from European Court.. ALL British citizens are obliged to GIVE BACK to G-Cypriots the land since it was a product of ROBBERY! Guys.. here is Europe.. not Bushland.. lol lol
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Post by filomen on Apr 28, 2009 18:02:03 GMT -5
because they are brainwashed. And this not since they were expelled to Albania...but since Ottoman times when they converted to Islam. Kastorianos kastorianos... e keqja e shqiptareve vjen nga vete shqiptaret
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Post by redbaron on Apr 28, 2009 21:50:41 GMT -5
Basil here are the following reasons why I think it would be succesful in the cases were they have documents. The Albanian state is not asking for land, as its normal that they shouldn't. Individuals are asking for the land for wich they have documents from the greek state that proves they own it. A lot of these people have documents from the Greek government. Same documents the average greek has to claim his land. Albania as a state was not allied to Italy or Germany ( you know this so you can stop B$-ing). It was in fact occupied by them. So as the war was over we were on the winning side since there were no more Germans or Italians in Albania, occupation was over. Albania as a state was not in war with Greece. The Germans and Italians were. What you are intentionally trying to say is something like this, I'm making an analogy here. Since the Ottomans came to Albania and attacked us through Greece, then Greece was at war with us, even though Greece itself was occupied by the Ottomans. That is a very naive argument.
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