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Post by todhrimencuri on May 2, 2009 19:07:21 GMT -5
Lol, please show us the news where Berisha was "shaken and a little stirred"? Nobody is afraid of Greece in Albania, Arxi, we all know EU has its leash quite well around you and your policies have to conform to it. As for EU, there has been no comment yet with regards to the minority topic outside of formalities. Nothing. Not only does the EU not care, but if you look at EU ethnic maps, they consistently play down the Greek presence in Albania to nearly nothing.
Listen, grease monkey, keep cheating people in car repair, dont act like you know anything about politics. Karamanlis' visit was a formality, the same has been done by all other EU nations. You guys got in by cheating your facts and now act like you have to educate us on the EU? lol
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Post by Arxileas on May 2, 2009 19:26:56 GMT -5
I don't understand your reasons behind the personal attacks on me "Character assassinations" I speak the truth. I've made many statements regarding the effects of Albania joining the E.U and so far they all have come true...After all it’s not difficult to understand when you join the big boy’s club you get to loose some sovereignty or other in order to conform to the big boy's standards in this case to the E.U standards. By the way the Greater Albania ideology is over...It doesn’t serve the E.U.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 2, 2009 19:41:42 GMT -5
Like I said, bring the article where it said he was shaken. I already gave you the reason for why Berisha was against the Bollano arrest, and it mainly revolves around the issue of an opposing party arresting him. You said Berisha was shaken and stirred, and I asked you where you got that info from. Now, either quiet your grease monkey mouth, or bring the evidence.
All youve said is "EU doesnt like this" and "EU wont allow that"... well now, EU companies are also financing projects over what you describe as minority zones. Projects that would mean those zones losing their land and they dont seem to give a crap... huh?
Contrary EU is fulfilling Natural Albania, by supporting thr new projects linking Kosova and Albania together, and eventually it will link Ulcin and Ilirida, Macedonia. Cameria is gone, but the rest are very much alive.
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Post by Arxileas on May 2, 2009 20:16:25 GMT -5
I was merely stating what was witnessed by me by two Greek television news reports last night Australian time. It was not my intention to try and make up things in orders to provoke in any way. If you feel like you were provoked then I apologise to the Albanians on here. Time will tell if what I stated does actually get reported by the online news media ? I thought actual events and past events without news links was the norm for you ? Similar to your baseless opinions ! or maybe I was wrong
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 3, 2009 2:47:57 GMT -5
Lol, you must have watched a diff. meeting from me and Alb news it seems since I saw the same video and didnt notice anything diff. from Berisha's face than Ive witnessed for the last 10 years in the various television presentations of him, or the live face to face meeting my family had with him when I was 7... nothing diff, but I guess a grease monkey knows better... What's more interesting is that no Albanian news, however much they love to pick on Berisha, picked up on him looking somehow frightened... that's even more interesting
Anyway, Bollano has been sentenced, we will see what will happen.
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Post by Kassandros on May 3, 2009 3:52:23 GMT -5
...ah.. Teuta... regarding our talk about Press realeases in Albania... you better take a look at the map of Freedom of Press.. www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fop/2009/FreedomofthePress2009_MOPF.pdfNow, me.. a Greek leaving in the green country.... doubts my Press ... and you ..an Albanian leaving in a yellow country dont doubt your Press! Now..do you see how different we were raised..? Now.. do you see how much a Greek can be influenced by propaganda and how much an Albanian? Do you believe its coincedence that Democracy started here?
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Post by Arxileas on May 3, 2009 6:55:34 GMT -5
keep cheating people in car repair, lol ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on May 3, 2009 8:49:40 GMT -5
That does go only for the Euro...not the EU-access 1981. You are exaggerating again.
And yes, we will teach you how you have to be because we are in the position to do it...you have finally to accept that we are above you...as the French for example are above us etc etc...there is nothing wrong with that, its natural.
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Post by redbaron on May 3, 2009 13:07:50 GMT -5
By the way Basil, Karta and Arxileas are two that I've seen wanting to annex southern Albania into Greece.
P.S I don't stay around the Greek forum that much.
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Post by donnie on May 3, 2009 16:23:44 GMT -5
Kastorianos wrote,
Wow, no need to go any further, this quote alone suffices to demonstrate how pervertedly wrong you are ... even if the nature of the Chams' conversion to Islam was so simple in the terms you describe it, it still doesn't make their descendants of the 20th century "guilty" for being Muslims ... by that time, the Chams had been Muslims for many generations. I cannot grasp how these simple details escape your notice ...the Chams were going to be expelled either way, you, just like Zervas in the days, are just trying to excuse the inexcusable.
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Post by rex362 on May 3, 2009 16:32:37 GMT -5
I think reparations or reoccupation is necessary.....
67 billion euro's would do it on reparations...including monuments (tombstones) of lost ones ....including small rewrite in greek history books
mmmm or maybe 40 acres and a new Lexus per family .... and let the history books read that Zervas was an opportunist prick murderer and genocider ....
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Post by Kassandros on May 4, 2009 13:12:12 GMT -5
redbaron.. I dont think so. Most propably thats reaction... not real action. This way they react to Chams or Turkalbanians etc. If these people disappear.. the next moment Karta or Arhilleas will relax and change their way of posting on Epirus. On the contrary.. if Karta or Arhilleas disapear.. I doubt something will change for Chams or Turkalbanians of Albanian forum. Its pure hate and brainwashed minds... There is so obvious that Greeks just react and on hostility... they dont create hostility. It was always like that through centruries... Personally I believe that Greek Albanian-haters should have been 80% of the forum after what I saw be posted from Turkalbanians.. but this doesnt happen. Most are cool... or ... they just believe my Dorian theory!
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Post by leshte on May 4, 2009 14:27:50 GMT -5
What is TurkoAlbanians? I am Albanian and I have to meet one?
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Post by Kassandros on May 5, 2009 11:22:13 GMT -5
leshte "What is TurkoAlbanians? I am Albanian and I have to meet one?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A person that leaves near Albanians.. inside the geographic area of Albania... usually hate Europe and loves countries in Asia.... hates all the countries who rebelled against Ottoman Empire.... and has a feeling of emptyness after Ottoman Empries collapsed. Also.. they hold knives... they have bears..and they scream in the streets Allah-ak-bar.. "I am Albanian and I have to meet one?" ------------------------------------------------------- Any kind of interaction with them brings your mentality back and makes the distance with your Dorian roots larger...
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Post by L0gjICK on May 5, 2009 11:43:19 GMT -5
"A person that leaves near Albanians.. inside the geographic area of Albania... usually hate Europe and loves countries in Asia.... hates all the countries who rebelled against Ottoman Empire.... and has a feeling of emptyness after Ottoman Empries collapsed. " We tend to dislike our neighbors down south, you know those who are of North Africa roots whom display a superiority complex. And in order to fill their void, they feel the need to call their neighbors up to the North Turkalvonos. I'm content with my heritage and nationality, obviously you are not. "Also.. they hold knives... they have bears..and they scream in the streets Allah-ak-bar.. " More like we hold a beer in one hand and a Quaran in the other hand, and scream Allah Ahkbar in drunken jest. However, who are you to even speak? You follow Orthodoxism, an Eastern Religion not endorsed by any Western European country, and you have a cross that remains on your flag to show where your loyalty lies. If anything, your kind would the one to scream empty religious rhetoric.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 5, 2009 16:02:31 GMT -5
What is TurkoAlbanians? I am Albanian and I have to meet one? The term doesnt mean anything to us because it is a Greek construct. A discourse they have invented so as to be able to differentiate and categorize (psychologically). For them Alvanos becomes the "normal" (embodying the preferred qualities of an Albanian, which we would perhaps characterize as filogrek) while the Turko-Alvanos becomes the deviant and the abnormal. Its a psychological tool they have developed through their own biases and views. We can say the same for the Arvanite/Alvanos differentiation. The simple l-r difference creates a powerful psychological discourse where they can then catagorize "ideal"(Arvanitis) vs. "abnormal"(Alvanos). This has even deeper influences inside of it. To us they make no sense because we never created such discourses. Once you open your eyes to the power of discourse, the world seems to make a lot of sense: discourse, discursive formation. "Discourse" means words, speech, etc., especially as used in formal, intellectual, or literary communication. But Foucault uses the term in a specialized sense very close to that of ideology. Thus "discourse" becomes shared ways of thinking, speaking, and writing that provide channels through which power finds objects on which to act. The discourse of psychiatry (Foucault would call that a "discursive formation") thus becomes a way for psychiatry to flex its muscle, to exert control over us through its systems of diagnosis and treatment. Discursive formations channel power through their normativity, i.e., by defining normal and deviant patterns of behaving, desiring, being.In this case the discourse is less "intellectual based" but more along the popular lines. The power influence works along economic/social differentiation lines alongside perceived historical ones.
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Post by insomniac on May 5, 2009 17:00:02 GMT -5
redbaron.. I dont think so. Most propably thats reaction... not real action. This way they react to Chams or Turkalbanians etc. If these people disappear.. the next moment Karta or Arhilleas will relax and change their way of posting on Epirus. On the contrary.. if Karta or Arhilleas disapear.. I doubt something will change for Chams or Turkalbanians of Albanian forum. Its pure hate and brainwashed minds... There is so obvious that Greeks just react and on hostility... they dont create hostility. It was always like that through centruries... Personally I believe that Greek Albanian-haters should have been 80% of the forum after what I saw be posted from Turkalbanians.. but this doesnt happen. Most are cool... or ... they just believe my Dorian theory! Wow... this is stupid. You might as well have said, "If Albanians disappear.. the next moment Karta or Arhilleas will relax and change their way of posting on Epirus?" Listen, nobody here cares what a handicap such as Karta or Arhilleas think. It's not like our goal is to change the opinion of a people who are illiterate and can barely speak english.
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Post by Arxileas on May 5, 2009 20:09:11 GMT -5
Listen, nobody here cares what a handicap such as Karta or Arhilleas think. It's not like our goal is to change the opinion of a people who are illiterate and can barely speak english. You have to stand up for factual beliefs. I am an odd sort but I respect standing up for beliefs with facts. People seem to think free speech means they can say whatever they want and go completely unchallenged by others. And since there is no end to the number of ridiculous opinions that people can have, then free speech necessarily means unlimited challenges and criticisms of everyone else's ridiculous ideas.
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 5, 2009 20:19:16 GMT -5
Such an interesting debate...
Arxileas,
first time +1 ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on May 6, 2009 13:09:35 GMT -5
Its quite easier actually....the tourkalvanoi (not tourkoalvanoi) are simply the Chams if you want. Its the muslim Albanians and implies the collaboration of the Albanians with the Turks...simultaneously it excludes the Christian Arvanites and Albanians from this Albanian nation that is apportioned exclusively to the muslim religion.
The term "Alvanos" has in the Greek language a degrading smack...and I think this happens actually since the crimes committed by many immigrants since 1990. As well as the term "Grek" sounds as well quite degrading in my ears...or does look to my eyes.
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