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Post by insomniac on Jun 3, 2009 12:21:47 GMT -5
Presentation of Montenegrin tourism offer: The Minister Predrag Nenezic presented tourism offer of Montenegro for this season in Tirana and reminded nearly 70 attendees of the event, representatives of tourist agencies and media, that there is a growing interest of Albanian tourists in Montenegro as attractive tourism destination. Podgorica (MINA-BUSINESS) – The Minister of Tourism and Environmental Protection Predrag Nenezic invited citizens of Albania yesterday to visit Montenegro emphasizing that Montenegro has new quality service to offer this season and its overall offer has been brought into line with current circumstances caused by the global economic crisis. Montenegro tends to become a high-quality tourism destination in all aspects of its offer, but also the destination that will suit all pockets. Nenezic presented tourism offer of Montenegro for this season in Tirana and reminded nearly 70 attendees of the event, representatives of tourist agencies and media, that there is a growing interest of Albanian tourists in Montenegro - it is said in the official statement of the National Tourism Organization (NTO). - There were 30 thousand Albanian tourists in Montenegro last year and 155 thousand overnight stays were registered – Nenezic stated precisely. The tourism offer was also presented by the Mayor of Ulcinj Gzim Hajdinaga and the General Manager of NTO Sasa Radovic. www.visit-montenegro.com/article-mne-21042.htm============ When i travel to Balkans next summer, i might come visit some of these areas.
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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 3, 2009 21:07:18 GMT -5
Montenegro will always be my favorite for vacation. Beautiful country.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jun 4, 2009 11:52:18 GMT -5
Kosovars do love Ulqin. I heard there always seems to be some sort of fighting between Kosovars and Malsors when they meet lol.
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Post by shkodrani on Jun 4, 2009 17:21:38 GMT -5
Kosovars do love Ulqin. I heard there always seems to be some sort of fighting between Kosovars and Malsors when they meet lol. Zakonisht kur ven 2 gjela bashk, skan hall as derman pa u xan !
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Post by podgoricanin on Jun 4, 2009 19:40:08 GMT -5
Kosovars do love Ulqin. I heard there always seems to be some sort of fighting between Kosovars and Malsors when they meet lol. Its always a good show to watch....and it never fails between the two with brotherly love..LOL Everytime I'm there I see at least one fight......even in the states I see the fighting though
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 19:43:12 GMT -5
In Shkoder you dont hear of fighting anymore. But you do hear occassional gun shots towards the Serb-Montenegrin church. Or the rare grenade.
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Post by podgoricanin on Jun 4, 2009 22:43:21 GMT -5
In Shkoder you dont hear of fighting anymore. But you do hear occassional gun shots towards the Serb-Montenegrin church. Or the rare grenade. Are you from Skadar? and is the Church still standing? I'm asking because I have yet to hear of such happenings?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 23:06:48 GMT -5
No, Im not from Shkoder. But Ive read a few articles about this in the past. Yea the church is still standing, but the entire back area had to be rebuilt from the damage done by the grenade. This was a few years ago... Too bad he didnt throw it during service. A few dead Slavs is always good for the soul
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 23:21:19 GMT -5
Btw, you should know, shooting your kind was a favorite Albanian pastime until relatively recently. Being near the lake, they had enough fish for Wednesdays and Fridays. (A woman was stringing little fish on a long wire, and hanging them in loops to a great wooden frame over the open hearth, to be smoke-dried.) Were it not for the Moslems they could live very well, but not one of the Vraka men could now go into Scutari. They would be shot on the way. The women had to do all bazaar business.digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania-I.html The Vraka village is a Serb island in a Muslim sea. ;D
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Post by podgoricanin on Jun 4, 2009 23:56:51 GMT -5
Btw, you should know, shooting your kind was a favorite Albanian pastime until relatively recently. Being near the lake, they had enough fish for Wednesdays and Fridays. (A woman was stringing little fish on a long wire, and hanging them in loops to a great wooden frame over the open hearth, to be smoke-dried.) Were it not for the Moslems they could live very well, but not one of the Vraka men could now go into Scutari. They would be shot on the way. The women had to do all bazaar business.digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania-I.html The Vraka village is a Serb island in a Muslim sea. ;D Chill out Al Qaeda...... Its a shame things as such occur, and even worse an individual like yourself supporting such actions.... FLEE BAG It still doesn't beat the fights between the Christian(Catholic) Malisors VS the Muslim Kosovars.....LOL
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 5, 2009 0:41:34 GMT -5
Kosovars do love Ulqin. I heard there always seems to be some sort of fighting between Kosovars and Malsors when they meet lol. Its always a good show to watch....and it never fails between the two with brotherly love..LOL Everytime I'm there I see at least one fight......even in the states I see the fighting though What fights u dumb dik. Stop makin up crap. And as far as the states go, ROFL....we used to go to Fresh Pond Rd. in Ridgewood/Queens where most Serbs here live, and beat the crap out of em lol. And yes malsors and kosovars together.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 5, 2009 1:04:34 GMT -5
Strange, Ive never seen a Serb in Ridgewood... I thought Albanians had run them out a long time ago...
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Post by donnie on Jun 5, 2009 2:18:36 GMT -5
I've been in Ulqin three times, two times in a period of two weeks. Never seen any fight between us Kosovars & Malsors. The second time we were there, we rented rooms from a Malsor (I'm not sure where exactly he was originally from, Kraja maybe) in Shtoj. Very nice Malsor family. Also, this last time we were in the Balkans, upon entering the Albanian-Montenegrin border at Hani i Hotit, the Montenegrin police wanted to slow shyt down ... one Malsor though, saw our names in the passports, saw we were Albanian and from Kosova, started talking patriotic about Adem Jashari and everything, and let us go swifter. Then we stopped in Tuzi to eat byrek. The locals were all gently and helpful ... I believe we stopped in Vuksanlekaj too, which the Montenegrins have corrupted into Vuksanlekici, where some helpful locals gave us a free lecture on the local geography and name of local villages.
On a side note, one can really see the injustice done upon our people by the Great Powers when they ceded our territories to Montenegro. It's basically all Albanian on both sides of the border. Interestingly enough, the League of Prizren didn't complain much over the annexation of territories like Podgorica or Zabljak by Montenegro, as the population was predominantly Slav (1878). But as soon as they wanted more, fights erupted and the Montenegrins got their a*sses handed to them at the battle for Plav & Gusi, battle of Helm and battle of Ulqin. Only an international fleet's presence and the aid of some Turkish battalions forced the Albanians to abandon the town of Ulqin ... which throughout history had served as the natural harbour of Shkoder, just as Ostia for Rome, or Piraeus for Athens. Ulqin, dhe plazhi i Ulqinit, is a mere continuation of the Velipoje beach, all one country unjustly divided.
And let's not talk about Malsia e Mbishkodres. Purely Albanian territories were given to Montenegro to satisfy the hunger of knjaz Nikola ... half of these highlands were ceded to Montenegro; sixty per cent of Hoti, all of Gruda, Triepshi & Koja e Kucit, not to mention the town of Tuzi .. leaving Kastrati, Shkreli, forty per cent of Hoti & Kelmendi, minus Martinaj & Vuthaj, to Albania.
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 5, 2009 3:40:37 GMT -5
I've been in Ulqin three times, two times in a period of two weeks. Never seen any fight between us Kosovars & Malsors. The second time we were there, we rented rooms from a Malsor (I'm not sure where exactly he was originally from, Kraja maybe) in Shtoj. Very nice Malsor family. Also, this last time we were in the Balkans, upon entering the Albanian-Montenegrin border at Hani i Hotit, the Montenegrin police wanted to slow shyt down ... one Malsor though, saw our names in the passports, saw we were Albanian and from Kosova, started talking patriotic about Adem Jashari and everything, and let us go swifter. Then we stopped in Tuzi to eat byrek. The locals were all gently and helpful ... I believe we stopped in Vuksanlekaj too, which the Montenegrins have corrupted into Vuksanlekici, where some helpful locals gave us a free lecture on the local geography and name of local villages. On a side note, one can really see the injustice done upon our people by the Great Powers when they ceded our territories to Montenegro. It's basically all Albanian on both sides of the border. Interestingly enough, the League of Prizren didn't complain much over the annexation of territories like Podgorica or Zabljak by Montenegro, as the population was predominantly Slav (1878). But as soon as they wanted more, fights erupted and the Montenegrins got their a*sses handed to them at the battle for Plav & Gusi, battle of Helm and battle of Ulqin. Only an international fleet's presence and the aid of some Turkish battalions forced the Albanians to abandon the town of Ulqin ... which throughout history had served as the natural harbour of Shkoder, just as Ostia for Rome, or Piraeus for Athens. Ulqin, dhe plazhi i Ulqinit, is a mere continuation of the Velipoje beach, all one country unjustly divided. And let's not talk about Malsia e Mbishkodres. Purely Albanian territories were given to Montenegro to satisfy the hunger of knjaz Nikola ... half of these highlands were ceded to Montenegro; sixty per cent of Hoti, all of Gruda, Triepshi & Koja e Kucit, not to mention the town of Tuzi .. leaving Kastrati, Shkreli, forty per cent of Hoti & Kelmendi, minus Martinaj & Vuthaj, to Albania. Don, im there every year--i've never witnessed or heard of 'fights' between Malsors and Kosovars. The only incident i can remember was at a soccer match in a local league, there was a fist-fight or whatever between a Kosovar and a Grudjan but i have no doubt it happened over whatever issue they had and not because of where they were from. There are also a number of large-scale parties/feasts that are held in Malsi through out the summer (in Tuz, in Gusi, and other areas) and i go to all of them. I have met Kosovars who also attended, have had drinks and laughs with them, etc. Never an issue, never seen any brawls between Malsors and Kosovars lol--everyone gets along fine and has a blast.
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Post by donnie on Jun 5, 2009 3:44:57 GMT -5
Reminds me of this time my cousin got into a fight with some guy in a soccer game. Of all the players in the field, these two got into a quarrell, and guess what ... the other dude turned out to be Albanian as well. Hot blood more than anything.
What about you Malsor, are you Grude or Hot? Maybe Trieshi?
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 5, 2009 3:59:43 GMT -5
lol true, soccer can make tempers flare. Heat of the moment, like you said.
Prej Grudet jam.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jun 5, 2009 7:53:29 GMT -5
Honestly it's good to hear those things are bs because all I'm going on is word to mouth. I've also heard stories how Malsors blame Kosovars for the beaches being dirty as well, but like I said, they're just stories.
I've bever been to Ulqin and I had some cousins go a few years ago. They personally didn't like it but I would like to go and check it out for myself. How's the drive from say middle of Albania up to Montenegro?
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Post by donnie on Jun 5, 2009 8:11:41 GMT -5
Well, figuring how much the beaches get crowded, especially in Plazha e Vogel, they might be right about the littering on our behalf.
From Qafe Thana to Tirana or Durres, the road is very OK. From Durres or Tirana to Lezhe and Shkoder is also quite fine. You continue past Lezhe and into Shkoder, where you cross Buna and drive towards Sukobin. You may enter Montenegro either through Sukobin or Hani i Hotit, but the latter means you must take an unnecessary long route and round the lake before you get to Ulqin. From Sukobin, you have only a few km to Ulqin, the road is a little bad but worth it.
Ulqin is OK. The old castle is fine and atmosphere very cool, esp. in the korzo of the old town. But when it comes to the beach, I prefer Plazha e Madhe over Plazha e Vogel; it's more clean and everything. From there you can take a trip to Buna, which is very beautiful.
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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 5, 2009 8:19:34 GMT -5
From 1986 to 2001 we were there every year. Up till 1998, we usually stayed close to 6 weeks, it helped that my dad has few friends there, we'd spend a week up in the mountain, I loved it there, the farming, etc, love the nature lol, and then we'd come down to Ulqin (where they had houses as well) and spend the rest of the vacation.
Never witnessed a fight, whether between Kosovo Albs and Monte Albs or Albs and Monte Slavs.
So it's probably just here in the states that things of that nature happen. lol
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Post by terroreign on Jun 6, 2009 2:11:26 GMT -5
As far as the states go...I have cousins in New York (Orthodox Montes) and they get along fine with Albanians...many are even connected through marriage, some live in Astoria, others around the Bronx.
Now as far as Montenegro is concerned, Gruda is Montenegrin, just nowadays albanified, Gruda is a montenegrin word meaning "chest/heart". And has no meaning in albanian, which is obvious as to why.
Obviously donnie is not familiar with the region's history before the ottoman conquest, which is why he thinks the area around skadar is "pure albanian", well its not, slavs have lived in that region and are mentioned there before albanians were. In Duklja for a long time Skadar was our capital, and during the Balsici's reign of Montenegro Skadar was the seat of the throne. While we were fighting Karl Topia and albanian hordes. Consequently leading to Topia calling upon the turks, giving them safe passage through albania in order to fight the Balsici's, thus it can be safely said that the turks were allowed into the western balkans thanks to catholic albanians (later being islamicized once the turks enslaved them).
No offense or anything, just a bit of history.
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