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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Jun 6, 2009 5:50:43 GMT -5
^^^Poor you for believing all that crap....you ound the same as the monkeydonians
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 6, 2009 11:50:02 GMT -5
As far as the states go...I have cousins in New York (Orthodox Montes) and they get along fine with Albanians...many are even connected through marriage, some live in Astoria, others around the Bronx. Now as far as Montenegro is concerned, Gruda is Montenegrin, just nowadays albanified, Gruda is a montenegrin word meaning "chest/heart". And has no meaning in albanian, which is obvious as to why. Obviously donnie is not familiar with the region's history before the ottoman conquest, which is why he thinks the area around skadar is "pure albanian", well its not, slavs have lived in that region and are mentioned there before albanians were. In Duklja for a long time Skadar was our capital, and during the Balsici's reign of Montenegro Skadar was the seat of the throne. While we were fighting Karl Topia and albanian hordes. Consequently leading to Topia calling upon the turks, giving them safe passage through albania in order to fight the Balsici's, thus it can be safely said that the turks were allowed into the western balkans thanks to catholic albanians (later being islamicized once the turks enslaved them). No offense or anything, just a bit of history. EL-OH-EL !! You say the wackiest things and dont warrant a response.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jun 6, 2009 13:21:05 GMT -5
Now as far as Montenegro is concerned, Gruda is Montenegrin, just nowadays albanified, Gruda is a montenegrin word meaning "chest/heart". And has no meaning in albanian, which is obvious as to why. Gruda znaci komad zemlje, kao na primer "rodna gruda" a to sto ti kazes "chest" to su "grudi" a ne "gruda". Nauci bolje "maternji" to jest srpski jezik. Results:
clod = gruda, grudva, grumen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- bosom = grudi, nedra, njedra, naru"cje, zagrljaj breast, tit, boob = grudi, prsa, dojka, sisa, nedra, njedra bust = grudi, poprsje, bista chest = grudi, prsa breasts, boobs, tits = sise, grudi
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Post by terroreign on Jun 6, 2009 20:15:20 GMT -5
As far as the states go...I have cousins in New York (Orthodox Montes) and they get along fine with Albanians...many are even connected through marriage, some live in Astoria, others around the Bronx. Now as far as Montenegro is concerned, Gruda is Montenegrin, just nowadays albanified, Gruda is a montenegrin word meaning "chest/heart". And has no meaning in albanian, which is obvious as to why. Obviously donnie is not familiar with the region's history before the ottoman conquest, which is why he thinks the area around skadar is "pure albanian", well its not, slavs have lived in that region and are mentioned there before albanians were. In Duklja for a long time Skadar was our capital, and during the Balsici's reign of Montenegro Skadar was the seat of the throne. While we were fighting Karl Topia and albanian hordes. Consequently leading to Topia calling upon the turks, giving them safe passage through albania in order to fight the Balsici's, thus it can be safely said that the turks were allowed into the western balkans thanks to catholic albanians (later being islamicized once the turks enslaved them). No offense or anything, just a bit of history. EL-OH-EL !! You say the wackiest things and dont warrant a response. That's because you contain no knowledge needed to produce a response. "Gruda znaci komad zemlje, kao na primer "rodna gruda" a to sto ti kazes "chest" to su "grudi" a ne "gruda". Nauci bolje "maternji" to jest srpski jezik." Ok to je razumljeva greska, ali ipak to sto sam cvrstio je istina, gruda ne znaci nista po albanskom...to znaci da pleme Gruda je crnogorsko ne albansko
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 7, 2009 2:49:28 GMT -5
EL-OH-EL !! You say the wackiest things and dont warrant a response. That's because you contain no knowledge needed to produce a response. "Gruda znaci komad zemlje, kao na primer "rodna gruda" a to sto ti kazes "chest" to su "grudi" a ne "gruda". Nauci bolje "maternji" to jest srpski jezik." Ok to je razumljeva greska, ali ipak to sto sam cvrstio je istina, gruda ne znaci nista po albanskom...to znaci da pleme Gruda je crnogorsko ne albansko Gruda is 100% albanian (85% Catholic, 15% Muslim), no Serbo-negrians to be found. Everyone speaks albo, even though its been occupied for the last 130 yrs. The ppl of Gruda originated from the Suma area (near Shkoder) and have been in their present day land since pre-ottoman times. The town of Tuzi was founded around 1320 by Llesh Tuzi, an albanian from Gruda. And to be blunt, all of Montenegro was Albanian and Catholic until Nemanja came along and Slava-banged you. No offense or anything, just a little history. Hajt tash hup, u qish vetin me te gjith Shkijet !
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Post by terroreign on Jun 7, 2009 7:50:08 GMT -5
Hehe, "Suma" area, a SLAVIC word for forest, damn you're just digging yourself a grave here.
Montenegro was indeed Catholic, but illyrio-slavic before Nemanja! And guess what, I bet you 80% of Gruda are integrated with Montenegrin society and don't even consider themselves albanian anymore.
They even have a street in Cetinje, called Gruda haha
Yeah? You mean Ljes Tuzcevic right? Yeah he was Montenegrin.
Btw you ever heard of Sokol Baco?? Albanian-Malesor general of a Montenegrin military division, came from Malesia and ended up marrying a Montenegrin woman and integrating into Monte-Society, I think his kids are called "Bacevic" or something haha
Just a little history!
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Post by donnie on Jun 7, 2009 12:24:50 GMT -5
As far as the states go...I have cousins in New York (Orthodox Montes) and they get along fine with Albanians...many are even connected through marriage, some live in Astoria, others around the Bronx. Now as far as Montenegro is concerned, Gruda is Montenegrin, just nowadays albanified, Gruda is a montenegrin word meaning "chest/heart". And has no meaning in albanian, which is obvious as to why. Obviously donnie is not familiar with the region's history before the ottoman conquest, which is why he thinks the area around skadar is "pure albanian", well its not, slavs have lived in that region and are mentioned there before albanians were. In Duklja for a long time Skadar was our capital, and during the Balsici's reign of Montenegro Skadar was the seat of the throne. While we were fighting Karl Topia and albanian hordes. Consequently leading to Topia calling upon the turks, giving them safe passage through albania in order to fight the Balsici's, thus it can be safely said that the turks were allowed into the western balkans thanks to catholic albanians (later being islamicized once the turks enslaved them). No offense or anything, just a bit of history. LOL. Persuasive argumentation. "Gruda" happens to mean "chest" in Montenegrin, and therefore they must be Albanianized Montenegrins .. that they speak Albanian, identify as Albanians, wore Albanian costumes and had Albanian traditions is of no importance. And as far as Shkoder goes; it being the capital of your medieval state doesn't make it "Slav", anymore than ancient Babylon was Greek just because Alexander the Great made it his capital. There was nothing of comparison in Montenegro; rocks, rocks & rocks. When they conquored a real city, they made it capital. Nikola tried to do the same 1912, because at the time, both Cetinje and Podgorica were shytty villages. The former still is.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 7, 2009 23:24:24 GMT -5
^I don't see your point, seems like you just wrote all that to justify calling Cetinje and Podgorica "shytty villages".
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Post by MurlaniHotit on Jun 8, 2009 11:45:14 GMT -5
My family is Malesor from Montenegro too. My father is from Hoti and mother from Gruda, and we definitely do not consider ourselves Montenegrin. We are firmly Albanian and very proud of this. I was in Malsia 2 yrs ago and everyone speaks Albanian, heck in the villages of Hoti, some of the children barely speak any Slavic. My younger cousins only learn it in school, other than that they have no idea.
As far as Sokol Baci goes, there is planty of argument among Malesor's if he was a traitor or if he was simply mislead by Kral Nikolla. Either way he isn't considered a good Albanian by many Malsors, a hero, or even liked very much in Malesia. We prefer Ded Gjon Luli, who raised the Albanian flag over Deciq in 1911 and refused to sell out to anyone, Turk or Slavand because of this family died off, with one of his sons being killed in battle an the other being poisoned by Montenegrins, while Deda himself was killed by Montenegrins after being betrayed.
So, no Gruda is not Slavic, and neither is Hoti or any of Malesia. We are firmly Albanian, we speak Albanian, and we have only one flag, the Albanian flag.
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 8, 2009 20:11:59 GMT -5
Hehe, "Suma" area, a SLAVIC word for forest, damn you're just digging yourself*grave here. Montenegro was indeed Catholic, but illyrio-slavic before Nemanja! And guess what, I bet you 80% of Gruda are integrated with Montenegrin society and don't even consider themselves albanian anymore. They even have a street in Cetinje, called Gruda haha Yeah? You mean Ljes Tuzcevic right? Yeah he was Montenegrin. Btw you ever heard of Sokol Baco?? Albanian-Malesor general of a Montenegrin military division, came from Malesia and ended up marrying a Montenegrin woman and integrating into Monte-Society, I think his kids are called "Bacevic" or something haha Just a little history! Do you have to corrupt every albanian name you come across ? Ljes ? Tuzcevic ? Bacevic !? Wtf is that LoL. Just to prove how clueless you are---Baci isnt his last name, its his fathers name. In Malsi people are called by their first name and then their fathers first name (i.e. Tom Gjoni, Zef Pjetri, Prek Gjergji, etc). His name is Sokol Ivezaj. And his family today still has the same last name. You must make up random stuff as you type. Anyway, ill be in Malsi on friday chilling out on alb turf and listening to alb music with a flag draped over me. Have fun this summer spreading fairy tales around here. Btw, Murlan--he wasnt a traitor, maybe guilty of being naive. Actually, there were a couple of times that Malsors fought with Malazezet against Turks with the promise that Malsia would be kept within Albania in return. Shqiptars keep their word and Shkijet are backstabbers !
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Post by terroreign on Jun 8, 2009 22:25:56 GMT -5
Do you have to corrupt every albanian name you come across ? Ljes ? Tuzcevic ? Bacevic !? Wtf is that LoL. Just to prove how clueless you are---Baci isnt his last name, its his fathers name. In Malsi people are called by their first name and then their fathers first name (i.e. Tom Gjoni, Zef Pjetri, Prek Gjergji, etc). His name is Sokol Ivezaj. And his family today still has the same last name. You must make up random stuff as you type. Anyway, ill be in Malsi on friday chilling out on alb turf and listening to alb music with a flag draped over me. Have fun this summer spreading fairy tales around here. Btw, Murlan--he wasnt a traitor, maybe guilty of being naive. Actually, there were a couple of times that Malsors fought with Malazezet against Turks with the promise that Malsia would be kept within Albania in return. Shqiptars keep their word and Shkijet are backstabbers ! Haha i was kidding about ljes tuzcevic, but seriously all that area is very slavic speaking. Of course I know that malesor, because Montenegrins do the same thing, First name, fathers name, family name, Tribe name. Good you do that, just make sure not to leave that little hole-in-the wall. Gruda has Montenegrin origin, don't forget it.
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Post by malsor4life on Jun 8, 2009 23:28:28 GMT -5
Autonomy is on the way, dont forget that either.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 10, 2009 5:16:43 GMT -5
Autonomy for what? That rock in front of your grandfather's shack?
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jun 26, 2009 13:27:32 GMT -5
Autonomy is on the way, dont forget that either. Wouldnt be surprised at all if albs get autonomy in monte haha
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