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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 3:32:53 GMT -5
Its simply the act of it... You still lost, the root idea based off of the fact that archaic also means "obsolete". Thus an "archaism" is to do or speak in a fashion that is no longer common. You lost f*ggot! Lol! Like I said, arxaikos can mean "ancient" in the literal sense, but through the very idea of "ancient" can also mean "no longer in use". Same idea when in English you say "thats ancient"... a term common in all languages.
Sorry your not intelligent Pyrros. Its just the way chit rolls you know? Some are smart, others, like you, are near nigh retarded.
And no matter what you do or say, you will always be an idiot to others. Every intelligent person in this forum, even the Serbian ones, find you to be a moron. Just that many dont have the heart to tell you. Be kind to your children though, its not their fault your their father.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 4, 2009 3:35:07 GMT -5
Its simply the act of it... You still lost, the root idea based off of the fact that archaic also means "obsolete". You lost f*ggot! Lol! Like I said, arxaikos can mean "ancient" in the literal sense, but through the very idea of "ancient" can also mean "no longer in use". Same idea when in English you say "thats ancient"... a term common in all languages. Sorry your not intelligent Pyrros. Its just the way chit rolls you know? Some are smart, others, like you, are near nigh retarded. the root idea is only in your incapable damaged backward head. COMPLEX LANGUAGES HAVE MANY (relative) WORDS with common root, to express slightly similar YET DIFFERENT meanings. You used the word "ARCHAIC" in the first place, swallow it and move on, albie.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 3:38:03 GMT -5
I used it properly so. Move on cigane. How many adjectives will you use before admitting that you lost? This is what I have been arguing from the get go dimwit. I never said my int. was the only one, I said it was also an accepted one. Problem is you did not recognize that it is an important definition... you didnt know it. From Miriam-Webster: 1: having the characteristics of the language of the past and surviving chiefly in specialized uses <an archaic word> 2: of, relating to, or characteristic of an earlier or more primitive time : antiquated <archaic legal traditions>3capitalized : of or belonging to the early or formative phases of a culture or a period of artistic development ; especially : of or belonging to the period leading up to the classical period of Greek culture4: surviving from an earlier period ; specifically : typical of a previously dominant evolutionary stage5capitalized : of or relating to the period from about 8000 b.c. to 1000 b.c. and the North American cultures of that time
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 4, 2009 3:55:16 GMT -5
an albanian trying to impress is a funny spectacle indeed!
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Post by zgembo on Jun 4, 2009 4:04:50 GMT -5
Well actually your statement is an attempt to start a flame war... and your claim is proof that you are illogical, while accusing someone else (an entire nation) to be exactly that But I have heard this before from Albanians. What proof is there that he was Albanian? All you have done is Albanized his name. Its just on the basis that his name means "bastard son" in Albanian, or in more archaic just "boy". That's it? It means the same in Serbian. Kopile is bastard in Serbian. Kobila means mare. Just Obilic can have a source too. Obiti is a verb for break or hunt in Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 4, 2009 5:24:55 GMT -5
Even Shqiptars prefer not to be Shqiptars (they prefer to be Illyrians). And the only reason a Shqiptar would be proud to be a Shqiptar is because they don't have a choice and are trying to compensate. Illyrian and Shqiptar is one and same thing. the complete absence of similarity between modern albo and the 10 (ten) saved "illyrian" words show otherwise.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 4, 2009 5:26:27 GMT -5
Marko, is there any info on the etymology of those words (Kopile, Obiti) Are they slavic by origin?
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Post by zgembo on Jun 4, 2009 12:11:03 GMT -5
Obiti or obijati is of Slavic etymology. Biti means "to beat". Bitka means "battle".
I know that in Bulgaria they say "kopele" for bastard. All the former Yugoslavs used the word too. In Romanian a child is "copil". So the etymology could easily be non-Slavic.
It still doesn't explain how that makes Milos Obilic Albanian. Albanians and Croats like to claim his name was actually Milos Kopile or Milos Kobila, which would translate to Milos the Bastard or Milos the Mare in Serbo-Croatian (and that Serbs changed his name to Obilic to make it sound better). First of all, such suggestions seem inherently ill-intentioned. Secondly, they are illogical. Why would a knight be referred to in such an insulting manner? Why would Prince Lazar allow someone with such a reputation/name to marry his daughter? And how does any of this make Obilic Albanian?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 4, 2009 13:26:10 GMT -5
i dont believe so either... Its just Albs trying to piss off Serbs
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Post by bato2 on Jun 6, 2009 5:34:05 GMT -5
According to Professor of Anthropology at Harward and University of Pennsylvania Carlton Steven **** He believes that Montenegrins are Albanians that were Slavized and he basis his theory on the similarities in the genetic makeup of the two and cultural similarities. Also when Albanian warrior prince Scanderbeg formed the "League of Albanian Princes" he included a Stephan Cernojevic of Zabiak, Montenegro perhaps because of this fact.Carleton S. Coon claimed that there was a connection between the Illyrians and the Dorians based on his anthropological analyses of the Albanian and Montenegrin population as well as the Sfakian population in Crete. Coon discovered that Montenegro and Albania is a highly concentrated Illyrian racial zone and that the Sfakians are directly descended from Doric tribes that invaded Crete from the direction of Macedonia and Illyria. Moreover, he stated that Albanians, Montenegrins and Sfakians shared many similarities in stature, appearance, language, national costume, belligerent tendencies, tribal orders and vendettas.
if we look customs of Albanians and Montenegrins , we'll find them very similar . there are lot of examples of those similarities , and it's impossible not to think of close origin of those two ethnic groups . since serbian tradition is much different from Montenegrin and Albanian tradition , and since serbians and Montenegrins are Slavs , for my opinion (doesn't have to be goxy's opinion too ), Montenegrins are slavized Albanians , that during history lost their mother tongue but not Albanian tradition . the tribe Kuqi , which is half Albanian and half Montenegrian , is biggest fact for this theory . even so , everyone is free to choose and declare his nationality , so i am not pretending to change nationality of Montenegrins .
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2009 5:52:10 GMT -5
Zeta existed long before Shqiptars came to the Balkans.
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Post by bato2 on Jun 6, 2009 7:06:04 GMT -5
Zeta existed long before Shqiptars came to the Balkans. |
haha...Still reading Serbian Mythology?.. ;D I sugest you a better book....Lord of The Rings
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 6, 2009 8:25:26 GMT -5
^ Or better yet, one of those Noel Malcolm books, to really capture his imagination.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2009 10:24:23 GMT -5
haha...Still reading Serbian Mythology?.. ;D I sugest you a better book....Lord of The Rings Why? Are you recommending that I get better acquainted with Shqiptar history?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jun 7, 2009 5:34:11 GMT -5
According to Professor of Anthropology at Harward and University of Pennsylvania Carlton Steven **** He believes that Montenegrins are Albanians that were Slavized and he basis his theory on the similarities in the genetic makeup of the two and cultural similarities. Also when Albanian warrior prince Scanderbeg formed the "League of Albanian Princes" he included a Stephan Cernojevic of Zabiak, Montenegro perhaps because of this fact.Carleton S. Coon claimed that there was a connection between the Illyrians and the Dorians based on his anthropological analyses of the Albanian and Montenegrin population as well as the Sfakian population in Crete. Coon discovered that Montenegro and Albania is a highly concentrated Illyrian racial zone and that the Sfakians are directly descended from Doric tribes that invaded Crete from the direction of Macedonia and Illyria. Moreover, he stated that Albanians, Montenegrins and Sfakians shared many similarities in stature, appearance, language, national costume, belligerent tendencies, tribal orders and vendettas. if we look customs of Albanians and Montenegrins , we'll find them very similar . there are lot of examples of those similarities , and it's impossible not to think of close origin of those two ethnic groups . since serbian tradition is much different from Montenegrin and Albanian tradition , and since serbians and Montenegrins are Slavs , for my opinion (doesn't have to be goxy's opinion too ), Montenegrins are slavized Albanians , that during history lost their mother tongue but not Albanian tradition . the tribe Kuqi , which is half Albanian and half Montenegrian , is biggest fact for this theory . even so , everyone is free to choose and declare his nationality , so i am not pretending to change nationality of Montenegrins . LOL
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Post by benzino on Jun 7, 2009 18:22:04 GMT -5
Was Jovan Balevic a Shqiptar? Yes but assimilated like many other montenegrin tribes like Kuci, Piperi, Bjelopavlici, Bratonozici, Vasojevici (brothers with Krasniqi, Hoti ) but damn Vasojevics are radical .
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 9, 2009 23:49:10 GMT -5
Kuprili (Turkish: Kuprulu) was Albanian, and came from the southern Albanian town of Berat. He was taken into the Ottoman rank through the Devshirme system. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6pr%C3%BCl%C3%BCOne of the most common insults against the family used by various Ottoman figures was that it was of 'common' Albanian origin and thus was less intelligent and trustworthy than regular 'Turk' Ottomans.
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Post by jonleka on Jul 13, 2009 21:46:56 GMT -5
by the way drenica never had lekic or djokic but leku and gjoka thy have been like that for quite some time and drenica never had serbs exept some few slavs (bugars)haha. he was albanian like most of em are why do you thik thy resemble us and not other slavs case closed.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 13, 2009 21:59:27 GMT -5
Yeah the Koprulu family is mentioned in Ismail Kadare's book too, The Palace of Dreams.
They were wealthy grand viziers of Albanian origins.
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