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Post by Shmajser on Oct 3, 2008 6:56:41 GMT -5
I had my doubts before, but now it is finally confirmed, i will now post two scanned pages from a book titled Srednjovjekovna Srpska drzava-Izabrani izvori which means Serbian medieval state-selected sources written by Serbian university professor Sima M. Cirkovic in 1959.  page 9 ‘Serbs’ in the tongue of the Romans is the word for ’slaves’, whence the colloquial ’serbula’ for menial shoes, and ‘tzerboulianoi’ for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans. I know, i have posted this before, now many of you will say well Shmajser DAI is not a very reliable source, it`s not a primary source and it contains many historical errors, DAI is only valuable to us if you have other sources that could back it up. I agree with that reasoning, but what if i have a different Byzantine source that can confirm this plus quotes from the leading Serbian academics, will you be convinced than? Well it just so happends that i do. ;D Hardcore Serbian nationalists will never be convinced, i am well aware of that, but they will have doubts, while the non-Serbs will have a good laugh at their greater Serbian aspiration, because after this they will sound even more ridiculous than before.  page 11 Giljeljmo Tirski (1139 - 1186) was one of the members of a prominent family of Crusader. He was born in Jerusalem and studied law and arts in France and Italy. The underlined quotes were taken from one of his books Raughly translated: Than the king spent some time in Serbia, which is a mountainous area, fighting with the Serbs, who are self-sufficient and difficult to beat due to the impenetrability of their area, they have ancient customs, and all the people trace their origin from the people who in these areas were brought and forced to work and because of that their name originates from the servitude. This translation was terrible i am sure, but you get the general idea. ;D |
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Post by Banatski on Oct 5, 2008 18:08:05 GMT -5
Kapiram ja da je ovo provokacija, ali bilo bi lepo da pogledas malo bolje i izadjes iz stanja mrznje. Cinjenica je da i dan danas postoji narod na istoku Nemacke koje sebe naziva Srbima, dakle na prostorima prapostojbine Srba pre migracije na Balkan, i da je pomen srpskog imena mnogo stariji od dokumenata koji Srbe povezuju sa latinskim nazivom za sluge, isto kao sto su se zlonamerno Bugari zvali Vulgarima i sl... Shvatam ja da je teret poturcenjastva tezak ali nista stvarno neces postici mrznjom, pogotovo neces identinet Bosnjaka uciniti istorijski "opravdanijim" tako sto ces pljuvati po genetskom materijalu od koga je nastala ta nacija...
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Post by Shmajser on Oct 5, 2008 19:46:56 GMT -5
Kapiram ja da je ovo provokacija, ali bilo bi lepo da pogledas malo bolje i izadjes iz stanja mrznje. Cinjenica je da i dan danas postoji narod na istoku Nemacke koje sebe naziva Srbima, dakle na prostorima prapostojbine Srba pre migracije na Balkan, i da je pomen srpskog imena mnogo stariji od dokumenata koji Srbe povezuju sa latinskim nazivom za sluge, isto kao sto su se zlonamerno Bugari zvali Vulgarima i sl... Shvatam ja da je teret poturcenjastva tezak ali nista stvarno neces postici mrznjom, pogotovo neces identinet Bosnjaka uciniti istorijski "opravdanijim" tako sto ces pljuvati po genetskom materijalu od koga je nastala ta nacija... Stanje mržnje?!? HAHAHA, ja vas ne mrzim ja se šprdam sa vama, vi niste dostojni moje mržnje, previše ste patetični za to, Lužički Srbi imaju veze sa vama isto onoliko koliko Australijanci imaju sa Austrijancima, to je samo lingvistička similarnost i ništa drugo. Vi ste posrbili svako pleme na kugli zemaljskoj koje počinje sa S, dotle ide vaše ludilo, što se "poturičanstva" tiče, ako promjeniti religiju znači "poturčiti se" onda su Sluge "pogrčene" onda, onda su Hrvati "polatinjeni", poturica znački kripto-kršćanin, tj lažni musliman, glupe Sluge to ne znaju, a znali bi da manje guslaju a više čitaju knjige od Fajna,Malcolm-a, Hoare... umjesto plejada krezubog guslara. ;D što se Bugara tiče Turanoidi su njih oformili kao narod, oni to znaju i sa ponosom priznaju, za razliku od Hrvata koji to kriju i toga se stide, isto kao što se vi stidite Sluganskog porijekla i Sluganije. Moji preci su možda i bili Bošnjani katolici ili pripadnici crkve Bosanske, ja se toga ne stidim, niti mi pada na pamet da se stidim, samo se budala može stiditi svojih predaka, mjenjanje vjere je fenomen kroz koji su prošli svi narodi gle čuda to se odnosi i na Sluge, a i na Kurbate. |
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Post by Banatski on Oct 6, 2008 6:46:32 GMT -5
OK, nije moja stvar da li ti nas mrzis ili ne, ali mislim da je ocigledno iz prilozenog. Mogao bi da mi objasnis kako to da luzicki Srbi nemaju nikakve veze sa balkanskim Srbima, i kako to da ta dva naroda imaju potpuno identicno ime, kao i to da su se balkanski Srbi na Balkan doselili bas sa tih prostora. Je l' ova slika nije tacna?  Isto tako, mi nikada sebe nismo nazivali Servi, vec Serbi, dok je latinizovani naziv zadrzan kod Grka i dan danas. Dok za vas tzv. Bosnjake nema nikakve istorijske reference stotinama godina nakon dolaska Srba i Hrvata na Balkan. Isto tako, ne vidim zasto bi jedan car, koji vlada nad istim tim narodom koji ga je prozvao slugom (Grcima) sebe nazivao slugom, a svoju drzavu nazvao "Sluganija", kao sto je car Dusan bio Srbin, drzava mu bila Srbija, "carstvo Srba i Grka"... Mozes li to da objasnis? Dakle, ti tvrdis da Srbi nemaju nikakve veze sa luzickim Srbima i da su naziv dobili nakon naseljavanja na Balkan, a sam tvoj izvor tvrdi da su Srbi dosli iz "Bele Srbije" i poticu od Belih, nekrstenih Srba. Nije li to aspurdno... |
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Post by Shmajser on Oct 7, 2008 7:52:04 GMT -5
Mogao bi da mi objasnis kako to da luzicki Srbi nemaju nikakve veze sa balkanskim Srbima, i kako to da ta dva naroda imaju potpuno identicno ime, kao i to da su se balkanski Srbi na Balkan doselili bas sa tih prostora.
Je l' ova slika nije tacna?
Na osnovu jezicke similarnosti se nista ne moze dokazati, po tome su Slovaci i Slovenci isti narod, to ne dokazuje nista.
Dakle, ti tvrdis da Srbi nemaju nikakve veze sa luzickim Srbima i da su naziv dobili nakon naseljavanja na Balkan, a sam tvoj izvor tvrdi da su Srbi dosli iz "Bele Srbije" i poticu od Belih, nekrstenih Srba. Nije li to aspurdno...
Procitaj malo bolje D.A.I posebno dio o "bjeloj Srbiji" pa se onda javi, uocices kontradikciju u samom D.A.I, hajde nemoj da ti ja sve crtam, sta kaze D.A.I o bijeloj Srbiji?
Isto tako, ne vidim zasto bi jedan car, koji vlada nad istim tim narodom koji ga je prozvao slugom (Grcima) sebe nazivao slugom, a svoju drzavu nazvao "Sluganija", kao sto je car Dusan bio Srbin, drzava mu bila Srbija, "carstvo Srba i Grka"... Mozes li to da objasnis?
Od 7 vijeka do tada proslo je dosta vremena, Srbi su se vec oformili kao narod, ne vjerujem da je Dusan silni znao kako su Srbi dobili ime. Nista tu nije cudno.
Dok za vas tzv. Bosnjake nema nikakve istorijske reference stotinama godina nakon dolaska Srba i Hrvata na Balkan.
Ovo nije tacno, bavarski geograf spominje etnonim Bosanci prema misljenju dvojice poznatih poljskih historicara, ako ti trebaju skenovi samo reci, Marko Veko poznati Hrvatski historicar govori o Slavenskom plemenu Bosna u svojoj knjizi postanak srednjovjekovne Bosanske drzave, imam i skenove njegove knjige, ako treba mogu sve ovdje skenirati. Sve ne-Bosnjaci, tako da nije Bosnjacka mitomanija na djelu, ako to mislis.
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Post by Shmajser on Mar 12, 2009 5:25:24 GMT -5
PATHETIC SLAVES. 500 years of serving Ottomans, before that it was the Greeks. It`s better to die than to have a history which is basically a millennium of serving your masters. FUJ Even your stupid name originates from servitude, it must be painful.HAHAHA
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Post by tito on Mar 12, 2009 5:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 12, 2009 6:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 15, 2009 3:06:26 GMT -5
Slave ... lol.
Yeah we all knew this ... its been discussed here countless times before.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 15, 2009 4:53:29 GMT -5
I had my doubts before, but now it is finally confirmed, i will now post two scanned pages from a book titled Srednjovjekovna Srpska drzava-Izabrani izvori which means Serbian medieval state-selected sources written by Serbian university professor Sima M. Cirkovic in 1959. page 9 ‘Serbs’ in the tongue of the Romans is the word for ’slaves’, whence the colloquial ’serbula’ for menial shoes, and ‘tzerboulianoi’ for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans. I know, i have posted this before, now many of you will say well Shmajser DAI is not a very reliable source, it`s not a primary source and it contains many historical errors, DAI is only valuable to us if you have other sources that could back it up. I agree with that reasoning, but what if i have a different Byzantine source that can confirm this plus quotes from the leading Serbian academics, will you be convinced than? Well it just so happends that i do. ;D Hardcore Serbian nationalists will never be convinced, i am well aware of that, but they will have doubts, while the non-Serbs will have a good laugh at their greater Serbian aspiration, because after this they will sound even more ridiculous than before. page 11 Giljeljmo Tirski (1139 - 1186) was one of the members of a prominent family of Crusader. He was born in Jerusalem and studied law and arts in France and Italy. The underlined quotes were taken from one of his books Raughly translated: Than the king spent some time in Serbia, which is a mountainous area, fighting with the Serbs, who are self-sufficient and difficult to beat due to the impenetrability of their area, they have ancient customs, and all the people trace their origin from the people who in these areas were brought and forced to work and because of that their name originates from the servitude. This translation was terrible i am sure, but you get the general idea. ;D Question 1: When and where have Serbs ever been slaves to anyone? Question 2: Why would Romans have Serbs as slaves when (by the time Serbs reached Rome) slavery was outlawed for at least 100 years? These questions need to be answered before I take your claim seriously. |
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 15, 2009 10:42:05 GMT -5
The funny part is Boslims have been slapped around for so long by Slaves. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Our Republika Slave-ska pisses the boslims off and they cant do anything about it except whine and moan. Even Servia, the country full of slaves, is better then the Boslim nation in everything no matter how much Servia loses because of the west. Geeze you guys must feel pretty damn pathetic. Republika Slave-ska, pissing the Boslims off since 92.  |
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Post by donnie on Mar 15, 2009 10:54:08 GMT -5
Very interesting Shmajser. I wonder if this has had implications on the Serbian national psyche, and whether this servile past has been inherited in an altered form with sexual undertones, e.g. masochism. Which other nation in the world celebrates its epic defeats (e.g. 1389) as if they were infact victories? I can't think of any.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 15, 2009 11:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 15, 2009 11:18:38 GMT -5
Battle of Kosovo was a tactical draw. Why do people continue calling it a defeat?
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 16, 2009 1:12:22 GMT -5
^ It was pretty much a defeat.
But if you look at all the official battles between Serbs and Turks, Serbs are ahead at over 18 - 10. Serbs are ahead way past 20 if you include Montenegrins though.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 16, 2009 1:21:38 GMT -5
Yep it was a defeat...technically it was a draw but as Serbia lost all its nobility etc there was not a chance it could raise another Army but the ottomans could draw from all over there empire. And for the Idiot playing dumb I will repeat it once again 1389 is a memorial for the lost a celebration of the bravery.....DIK  |
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 16, 2009 2:32:07 GMT -5
I think people are confusing tactical with strategic.
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Post by Shmajser on Mar 18, 2009 9:53:25 GMT -5
Very interesting Shmajser. I wonder if this has had implications on the Serbian national psyche, and whether this servile past has been inherited in an altered form with sexual undertones, e.g. masochism. Which other nation in the world celebrates its epic defeats (e.g. 1389) as if they were infact victories? I can't think of any. Celebrating the defeats, making up history and claiming that everyone in the Balkans was at some point a slave does not surprise me anymore, they do those things because it`s the part of their sick nature, a dog can sometime eat his own poop, to humans such behavior is disgusting, but to a dog that is perfectly normal and part of his behavior pattern,same thing with sluge, they are simply a different species that`s all what`s strange and disgusting to us and the rest of the sane people, to them it`s perfectly normal. One can`t blame a dog for being a dog, and one can`t blame a sluga for being a sluga. ;D As for Kosovo battle that battle was not significant at all from a military perspective, battle of Maritsa was the decisive battle really which made further conquest possible. |
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 18, 2009 10:12:10 GMT -5
You are the one who posted the claim, Shmajy.
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Post by srbobran on Mar 18, 2009 18:43:11 GMT -5
1. An Albanian speaking to me of a servile past is laughable at best. Albanians had nothing in the middle ages, no country, no land, no nothing. The Byzantines used you and later the Ottoman used you. Speaking of sexual undertones, we aren't the ones with pedastry as a cornerstone of our culture now are we? And if anyone is "machoistic" in the Balkans its Albanians. All of the Albanians here in Canada (save for a select few) try to act like they're tough gangster shiit but just about all of them don't have the balls to even look a Serb in the eye; if they do try to start shiit with a Serb they always end up getting their asses handed to them. Most of them tend to be huge pussies however and have to pay Afghans or some other people to attack Serbs for them.
2. The Battle of Kosovo was a military draw because both armies were destroyed and both lost their main leaders. The only thing was that the Ottomans could muster another army easily where as the Serbs could not. The battle ITSELF though was a tactical draw.
3. The Irish celebrate defeats and they are a great people.
4. Shmajser has a huge inferiority complex. Anyone with half a brain could figure this out considering he spends his free time burrowed in his mother's basement looking for ways to try to "humiliate" us when in reality his pseudo-history doesn't prove shiit and we don't really give a fvck.
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