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Post by tyson on Nov 17, 2008 3:58:56 GMT -5
okay, my question is about the ottoman attacks on karlovac. before i get to my question. here's some background information about the question i'm going to ask you,.... Karlovac was built from scratch in 1579 in order to strengthen Austria's southern defences against Ottoman encroaches. The forces of the Ottoman Empire laid siege to Karlovac seven times, the last time in 1672, but failed to occupy it. hasan pasa predojevic conquered bihac and topusko in 1592 hasan pasa died at the battle of sisak in 1593. ------------------------------------- so obviously hasan pasa was concentrated on his territorial campaigns in the northwest frontier area of the bosnian sanjak, but who was leading the ottoman army in this area after hasan pasa perished in 1593 ?.... the ottoman army was attacking karlovac until 1672, which equals to campaigns to conquer karlovac for another 79 years. who was leading the ottoman armies there? i cant seem to find any information on this, but i was thinking you guys would know since yous are knowledgable about your ottoman history.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 18, 2008 20:40:35 GMT -5
no idea
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Post by whateva on Nov 19, 2008 4:37:25 GMT -5
Son of Koca Sinan Pasa (who became the Grand Vezir for 2nd or 3rd time in 1593) Mehmed Pasa led the Ottoman army in Croatia. He took Sisak in 1593 but Ottomans burned it down and abandoned it just a year later. It should be noted that Hasan Pasa fought war in Croatia without a authorization from Istanbul the war became only official when Sinan ordered army from other provinces to move to Austria and it lasted from 1593-1606. Sinan Pasa was ethnic Albanian.
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Post by tyson on Nov 19, 2008 6:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by whateva on Nov 19, 2008 9:39:15 GMT -5
Doubt thats the page on Mehmed Pasa I mentioned. There is very little known about him other than the battle of sisak. Regarding the leaders of different battles of Karlovac thats also kinda hard to figure out because they were either small raids or part of greater campaign where less known commanders were given the task of taking over smaller objectives. It's not like sultan showed up with 300000 men in front of gates of Karlovac. Leaders of the campaign in Hungary and Austria from 1593-1606 were anyone from Sinan Pasa to sultan Mehmed III. Most likely that the attacks on Karlovac in that period were delegated to Bosnian Dervis pasa Bajezidagic (born in Mostar) who was pasa after death of Hasan Pasa until 1603 and after that by Mehmed Pasa Karakas.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 19, 2008 9:42:18 GMT -5
I'd love to know the answer too funny no one knows. The above mentioned person whateva mentions can't be right. They never took Sisak.
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Post by whateva on Nov 19, 2008 10:16:11 GMT -5
Christians defeated Ottomans in June of 1593 at Sisak, war didn't start untill September of 1593 when Mehmed took Sisak but they couldn't keep it more than a year. All sources about that time period that mention Sisak are Croat sources and few other ones that don't go into details. To go into details I'd recommend www.amazon.com/Ottoman-Warfare-1500-1700-Rhoads-Murphey/dp/081352685X
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 19, 2008 10:20:03 GMT -5
Thats what I meant, thanks for the link also...but tysons q in regards to Karlovac?
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Post by whateva on Nov 19, 2008 10:26:42 GMT -5
As far as I know no major battles took place at Karlovac. If there were battles they must have been raids over the border by Bosnian Kapetani-Begovi who did stuff like that often especially if taxes didn't bring as much as they hoped for. In other words they did "upadi" as we call them just like Croats and others neighboring Bosnia did to us. It was common practice but it didn't mean full out war, more like a small scale provocation.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 19, 2008 11:23:15 GMT -5
The questions remains unanswered, who was leading the Ottoman armies in Karlovac tyson asked?
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Post by fazlinho on Nov 19, 2008 11:27:01 GMT -5
The questions remains unanswered, who was leading the Ottoman armies in Karlovac tyson asked? Didn't he just tell you Regarding the leaders of different battles of Karlovac thats also kinda hard to figure out because they were either small raids or part of greater campaign where less known commanders were given the task of taking over smaller objectives. It's not like sultan showed up with 300000 men in front of gates of Karlovac. Leaders of the campaign in Hungary and Austria from 1593-1606 were anyone from Sinan Pasa to sultan Mehmed III. Most likely that the attacks on Karlovac in that period were delegated to Bosnian Dervis pasa Bajezidagic (born in Mostar) who was pasa after death of Hasan Pasa until 1603 and after that by Mehmed Pasa Karakas. ?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 19, 2008 11:37:28 GMT -5
He was talking about persons leading the raids...not leaders during that period, anyway nice reading none the less.
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Post by bihvojska on Nov 23, 2008 20:30:22 GMT -5
no idea...
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