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Post by bog on Nov 28, 2008 20:00:52 GMT -5
all this hate over a people who wouldnt be able to fill up a nogometski stadion..
if you are going to hate, have more fun convos...
HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE!
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 20:29:05 GMT -5
Like i said, their surnames, until recently, were of the Albanian, not Slavic type. How is their culture exactly Serb? Their language could very well tell assimilation... especially since a number of Albanian Muslims were assimilated into Serbo-Croatian.
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Post by malsor4life on Nov 28, 2008 20:34:03 GMT -5
Gorani are bigger Alb haters then Serbs lol
I've met a few in America, they have a reputation for doing good stone/mason work here.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 20:38:37 GMT -5
[ There seems to be no Gorani village named Borea as you claim. The only one that comes close to being called Borea is Borje. All though Borje can have slavic origins also, and one such a name for the village does not prove it's origins. Borje Borea, are pronounced the same and the thing that makes them Albanian is they speak it day and night...as do all the other villages of the Goranis. The other things that makes them Albanians and the original peoples of this land are the Rock/cave drawings of snakes and goddess worship Found in Borea/\Borje alone. Never mind the other villages. Along with the many snakes found up in their villages. And, another thing, during WW1, when serbs were massacring the people in North Eastern Albania: Luma Albanians, Borjejans/Boranis and other goranis were right by their side fighting serbs. So much for your f**king theory they're serb. They're not. Also, not bosnjaks either. And, all Borans who have moved onto other lands, they still keep their Albanian traditions, including their art work, clothing designs, carpet designs, songs, stories..etc. Now, radovic, f**k off and keep your assinine theories to yourself... They do not. The Gorani do not speak Albanian, they speak Gorani. In the last census with clear figures the majority declared that they speak their own language. Not only that but they speak a Torlak dialect of Serbian. In otherword they speak a language akin to Bulgarian and FYROMian and not Albanian. The presence of snakes drawings proves nothing. Theirs pre-roman drawings in Kotor of deer, that has knowing to do with the origin of the people their. It's funny how you claim this occurance from WWI, when as nearly all Balkan Muslims, the local inhabitants would have resented Serbia for the retreat of the Ottomans. But yet recent history tells the opposite, after KFOR moved into Kosovo thje Gorani were attacked by Albanians who viewed them as Serbs or at least Serb sympathizers. Also. Your Gorani, who you claima re Albanians, opposed Kosovo independence -- as stated by a former Bosniak minister in Kosovo's government [http://www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=]. That shows how Albanian they feel -- 100% of Albanians supported indepndence, less then 10% of Gorani. Also. Your claims about clothe and art work are idiotic, given that as Srbobran has pointed out a distinctive feature of the Gorani is that they celebrate Slava's,. specifically Djurdjevdan -- something in the Balkans common mostly among the Serbs.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 20:45:12 GMT -5
Oh, their blood and ancestry. WHERE THE FVCK DID YOU GET THAT THEIR BLOOD AND ANCESTRY WAS ALBANIAN, fvcktard? You got genetic proof? Post it you, little prick and quit pulling facts out of your ass. Holy shit you are stupid. You still don't get what I said. You asked what would make them Albanian if they have Serbian culture. And i said blood and ancestry would make someone Albanian by blood and ancestry. I didn't say Gorani are for a fact 100% all Albanian. In fact I said the opposite in every post. You "little" dipshit.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 20:48:13 GMT -5
Borje Borea, are pronounced the same and the thing that makes them Albanian is they speak it day and night...as do all the other villages of the Goranis. The other things that makes them Albanians and the original peoples of this land are the Rock/cave drawings of snakes and goddess worship Found in Borea/\Borje alone. Never mind the other villages. Along with the many snakes found up in their villages. And, another thing, during WW1, when serbs were massacring the people in North Eastern Albania: Luma Albanians, Borjejans/Boranis and other goranis were right by their side fighting serbs. So much for your f**king theory they're serb. They're not. Also, not bosnjaks either. And, all Borans who have moved onto other lands, they still keep their Albanian traditions, including their art work, clothing designs, carpet designs, songs, stories..etc. Now, radovic, f**k off and keep your assinine theories to yourself... They do not. The Gorani do not speak Albanian, they speak Gorani. In the last census with clear figures the majority declared that they speak their own language. Not only that but they speak a Torlak dialect of Serbian. In otherword they speak a language akin to Bulgarian and FYROMian and not Albanian. The presence of snakes drawings proves nothing. Theirs pre-roman drawings in Kotor of deer, that has knowing to do with the origin of the people their. It's funny how you claim this occurance from WWI, when as nearly all Balkan Muslims, the local inhabitants would have resented Serbia for the retreat of the Ottomans. But yet recent history tells the opposite, after KFOR moved into Kosovo thje Gorani were attacked by Albanians who viewed them as Serbs or at least Serb sympathizers. Also. Your Gorani, who you claima re Albanians, opposed Kosovo independence -- as stated by a former Bosniak minister in Kosovo's government [http://www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=]. That shows how Albanian they feel -- 100% of Albanians supported indepndence, less then 10% of Gorani. Also. Your claims about clothe and art work are idiotic, given that as Srbobran has pointed out a distinctive feature of the Gorani is that they celebrate Slava's,. specifically Djurdjevdan -- something in the Balkans common mostly among the Serbs. Alen rips it ;D
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 20:48:40 GMT -5
Gorani are bigger Alb haters then Serbs lol I've met a few in America, they have a reputation for doing good stone/mason work here. What's so lol! www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=. Numan Balic, leader of the Party of Democratic Action [SDA] in Kosovo, a politician who was the only non-Albanian minister in the war-time government of Hashim Thaci, and who has been advocating the independence of Kosovo for 15 years, today warned that minorities in Kosovo feared its independence. [Balic, speaking in Albanian] According to our research, which we will soon publish, most Bosniaks, Romanies, Ashkali [Albanian-speaking Muslims related to Romanies] and Egyptians fear the independence of Kosovo, and that fear is especially prevalent among members of the Gorani [Muslim Slav] community. Minority communities do not trust the majority Albanian people and Albanian political leaders. Others, not just Serbs, have already stated that the Gorani have a hatred for Albanians.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 20:50:47 GMT -5
Like i said, their surnames, until recently, were of the Albanian, not Slavic type. How is their culture exactly Serb? Their language could very well tell assimilation... especially since a number of Albanian Muslims were assimilated into Serbo-Croatian. The Gorani themselves have said the opposite. the most famous Gorani academic is Harun Hasani and he beleives thwey are of Serbian origin and ha s stated that during communist rule the Gorani's names were Albanized and in the least 20 years some have "re-slavicizied" their surnames.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 20:54:25 GMT -5
Gorani are bigger Alb haters then Serbs lol I've met a few in America, they have a reputation for doing good stone/mason work here. What's so lol! www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=. Numan Balic, leader of the Party of Democratic Action [SDA] in Kosovo, a politician who was the only non-Albanian minister in the war-time government of Hashim Thaci, and who has been advocating the independence of Kosovo for 15 years, today warned that minorities in Kosovo feared its independence. [Balic, speaking in Albanian] According to our research, which we will soon publish, most Bosniaks, Romanies, Ashkali [Albanian-speaking Muslims related to Romanies] and Egyptians fear the independence of Kosovo, and that fear is especially prevalent among members of the Gorani [Muslim Slav] community. Minority communities do not trust the majority Albanian people and Albanian political leaders. Others, not just Serbs, have already stated that the Gorani have a hatred for Albanians. we both know all that really means is that their tongue is slavic..."members of muslim slav comunity" if they spoke albanian theyd say muslim albanian community, regardless of their shady ethnic origins
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 20:53:50 GMT -5
Who the fuk said hatred? The Gorani may feel apprehension since until recently, since Kosova was in Yugoslavia and Serbia, the non-Albanian aspect was stressed in order to downplay the Albanian presence in the area. Now that independence has happened, many fear that the Albaniancentric system will mean their assimilation. The feeling was shared by a number of groups...
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Post by srbobran on Nov 28, 2008 21:06:57 GMT -5
I didn't say Gorani are for a fact 100% all Albanian. In fact I said the opposite in every post. You "little" dips**t.
You DID in fact say that they were porbably of Albanian origin in your first post and that was what I was referring to. I know fully what makes someone of Albanian ancestry (Albanian blood of course), what I meant was do you have any proof of them actually having Albanian blood?
Anyways, I was pissed and later actually edited out the profanity in my post but the forum fvcked up and for some reason double posted. My bad about about the insults.
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Post by malsor4life on Nov 28, 2008 21:06:56 GMT -5
Gorani are bigger Alb haters then Serbs lol I've met a few in America, they have a reputation for doing good stone/mason work here. What's so lol! www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=. Numan Balic, leader of the Party of Democratic Action [SDA] in Kosovo, a politician who was the only non-Albanian minister in the war-time government of Hashim Thaci, and who has been advocating the independence of Kosovo for 15 years, today warned that minorities in Kosovo feared its independence. [Balic, speaking in Albanian] According to our research, which we will soon publish, most Bosniaks, Romanies, Ashkali [Albanian-speaking Muslims related to Romanies] and Egyptians fear the independence of Kosovo, and that fear is especially prevalent among members of the Gorani [Muslim Slav] community. Minority communities do not trust the majority Albanian people and Albanian political leaders. Others, not just Serbs, have already stated that the Gorani have a hatred for Albanians. Yeah, what a shocker....we dont have a positive view of them, because they collaborated with Serbia during the war. LoL Btw, just because Gorani are anti-albanian doesnt automatically mean they arent of Alb blood. They couldve been slavicized over the years, like some of the "Boshnjaks" in eastern Montenegro.
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 21:34:22 GMT -5
Borje Borea, are pronounced the same and the thing that makes them Albanian is they speak it day and night...as do all the other villages of the Goranis. The other things that makes them Albanians and the original peoples of this land are the Rock/cave drawings of snakes and goddess worship Found in Borea/\Borje alone. Never mind the other villages. Along with the many snakes found up in their villages. And, another thing, during WW1, when serbs were massacring the people in North Eastern Albania: Luma Albanians, Borjejans/Boranis and other goranis were right by their side fighting serbs. So much for your f**king theory they're serb. They're not. Also, not bosnjaks either. And, all Borans who have moved onto other lands, they still keep their Albanian traditions, including their art work, clothing designs, carpet designs, songs, stories..etc. Now, radovic, f**k off and keep your assinine theories to yourself... They do not. The Gorani do not speak Albanian, they speak Gorani. In the last census with clear figures the majority declared that they speak their own language. Not only that but they speak a Torlak dialect of Serbian. In otherword they speak a language akin to Bulgarian and FYROMian and not Albanian. The presence of snakes drawings proves nothing. Theirs pre-roman drawings in Kotor of deer, that has knowing to do with the origin of the people their. It's funny how you claim this occurance from WWI, when as nearly all Balkan Muslims, the local inhabitants would have resented Serbia for the retreat of the Ottomans. But yet recent history tells the opposite, after KFOR moved into Kosovo thje Gorani were attacked by Albanians who viewed them as Serbs or at least Serb sympathizers. Also. Your Gorani, who you claima re Albanians, opposed Kosovo independence -- as stated by a former Bosniak minister in Kosovo's government [http://www.csees.net/?page=news&news_id=48545&country_id=]. That shows how Albanian they feel -- 100% of Albanians supported indepndence, less then 10% of Gorani. Also. Your claims about clothe and art work are idiotic, given that as Srbobran has pointed out a distinctive feature of the Gorani is that they celebrate Slava's,. specifically Djurdjevdan -- something in the Balkans common mostly among the Serbs. Seriously, you must be talking about dragash ..they celebrate that stuff...btw, May 1 holiday is like all ancient holidays celebrating rebirth, from pagan times. And spring, may 1 holidays is not owned by any slav egghead. If anything he stole it from the pagan worship of goddesses, mithra for one, because she rep. creation, and rebirth. Even the commies took it as their holiday... As for the Albanian 'goranis', there were many reports of fire fights between serbs and Albanian villagers in Borje in 1999 and other towns. The Albanian military had to move in as to not invite war with serbs on Albanian territory. But, we got our licks in on these serb infiltrators. Maybe those gorani in kosova may have been moving loyalties from one to another, in Albania, Goranis were all supporing kosova independence and helping ship arms across the borders. So, fvck you if you think NE Albanian goranis have any other loyalty than Albanian. And our customs are authentically Albanian in origin. Tell me, do you serbs have a tradition of "Grabni"?
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 21:50:47 GMT -5
Can you give some citations from Hasani so I can have some context behind the statement? Such as why exactly does he believe them to be of Serbian origin? In light of the fact that so many Albanians in yugoslavia were handed Yugoslav names(Ivanaj --> Ivanovic), how in the world did these Slavic people escape notice and somehow become Albanianized? I know very well how 'Balkan scholarship' is created and politically influenced.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 28, 2008 22:00:56 GMT -5
These Gorani's speak perfect Serbian.
Part 1
Part 2
It's obvious they don't want to be Albanians, & that they dislike them to put it mildly. These ones look Serbian as well.
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 22:16:22 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? Those girls in your pic all have the high Albanian forehead and cheekbones. Also there are genetic studies of Albanian highlanders...in the north, east and west...and those studies proved that Albanians/goranis in the eastern mountains have the same alleles with the Albanians of western Malsori Albanians. And they're not even from the same religious groups.
So, do you serbs have a tradition of "GRABNI"? lol
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 28, 2008 22:26:19 GMT -5
No we don't have a tradition of Grabni, & Albanians don't have the tradition of Djurdjevdan...
Also, the girls in my signature aren't Gorani's (they're Serbs) & I don't see the connection with the topic... I think you must have thought they are a separate posting of Gorani's. LOL shot in the foot.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 22:32:41 GMT -5
lol self-owned yourself with the pic raynon
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 22:36:36 GMT -5
No we don't have a tradition of Grabni, & Albanians don't have the tradition of Djurdjevdan... Also, the girls in my signature aren't Gorani's (they're Serbs) & I don't see the connection with the topic... I think you must have thought they are a separate posting of Gorani's. LOL shot in the foot. You don't have grabni, but all gorani's do, including those in dragash, kosova, and the mountaineers of montenegro. The whole eastern world has may 1st holiday, including Albania, but the rest of the world calls it 'int'l worker's day' some call it easter as this holiday changes and others call it what you say.. lolol As for those girls, they are the most serbicized Albanians I've ever seen.They should have their blood checked to make sure.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 22:38:27 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? Those girls in your pic all have the high Albanian forehead and cheekbones. Also there are genetic studies of Albanian highlanders...in the north, east and west...and those studies proved that Albanians/goranis in the eastern mountains have the same alleles with the Albanians of western Malsori Albanians. And they're not even from the same religious groups. So, do you serbs have a tradition of "GRABNI"? lol Post these genetic studies you speak off?
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