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Post by MiG on Feb 20, 2009 17:02:29 GMT -5
^ The Petokraka is from the badge of the 64th Aggressors squadron. BTW, its not the G-4 either. Keep guessing. A hint I'll give you is that it is used by NASA and is one of the most unstable and agile Fighter-Trainers in history.
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Post by boscrocop on Feb 20, 2009 17:22:09 GMT -5
T-38 talon But Mr.MiG, the airframe of the F-5 is based on the talon, so, you tricked me, how rude
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Post by MiG on Feb 20, 2009 17:42:09 GMT -5
^ There are vast amounts of differences between the two jets. Structurally and Electronically. Excellent flight in one of them. A roller coaster 30,000 feet in the air. It's exhilarating.
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Post by boscrocop on Feb 20, 2009 19:16:01 GMT -5
^ There are vast amounts of differences between the two jets. Structurally and Electronically. Excellent flight in one of them. A roller coaster 30,000 feet in the air. It's exhilarating. After you ridiculing me in this manner, I just do not see how we can be friends anymore Nah, but I recall the plane from the shuttle landings when they showed them on the TV from time to time
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Post by markosijekira on Feb 20, 2009 23:15:26 GMT -5
Ohh nice 6 fighters to compliment the awesome 10,000 strong army with its fantastic M16A1 crap shooters! Joking aside, Bosnia needs no air force, the money spent on the fighters, pilot training and maintenance, not to mention fuel, could be well spent on a decent helicopter fleet which would be far more useful for Bosnia.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 21, 2009 4:06:21 GMT -5
This new airforce would still lose to Rijeka.
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Post by whateva on Feb 21, 2009 4:24:40 GMT -5
This new airforce would still lose to Rijeka. Kinda like Serb airforce lost against Zadar?
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 21, 2009 4:38:30 GMT -5
Yes exactly like that. Dunno what your talking about but ill assume i just got owned.
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Post by tito on Feb 21, 2009 6:10:19 GMT -5
Ohh nice 6 fighters to compliment the awesome 10,000 strong army with its fantastic M16A1 crap shooters! Joking aside, Bosnia needs no air force, the money spent on the fighters, pilot training and maintenance, not to mention fuel, could be well spent on a decent helicopter fleet which would be far more useful for Bosnia. Don’t be like that, tell us which of the mentioned warplanes Bosnia should choose.
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Post by whateva on Feb 21, 2009 6:20:31 GMT -5
They should chose the one that they can get for cheap which would be the F-16 depending on the block and the MiG 29. Considering that Bosnia is leaning towards NATO it should probably go with the F-16 and I'm sure if we wait few years Americans will be offering us few of those for free or at least small percentage of its full price, meanwhile send 8 pilots and maintenance crews that will be looking after those planes to train in Turkey and America so when we do get them we can start flying them right away.
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Post by karabin on Feb 21, 2009 6:21:35 GMT -5
^ Did they fit one of those annoying laser pointers to tip of a bomb and put some fins on it because thats what it looks like? We better watch out they could hurt our eyes with those. Feel free to put on a pair of laser protective goggles and stand on a designated spot. I promise you we would never see you again. But on a serious note, do not embarrass yourself. A optically guided bomb does not have a laser on it, it only has a optical receiver. The actual laser designator is located on either the aircraft itself or on the ground. Those lasers (infrared wavelength as so you cannot tell if you are being painted) are operating at about 5 Watts and would not only hurt your eyes, they could easily burn through your body. My university final year project was to build a laser designator and receiver. If you know what you are doing they are not hard to build at all
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Post by whateva on Feb 21, 2009 6:30:31 GMT -5
You Serbs lost your sense for humor.
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Post by whateva on Feb 21, 2009 6:48:54 GMT -5
^ Laser precision and Guided Munitions are no joke. 99% Success rate in any kind of weather, scenario, or climate. Are you sure you are not talking about satelite guided munitions because I could swear that bad weather effects laser guided munitions mainly because to point the laser at your target you have to see it so naturally if you are flying above cloud cover you cant see what you are pointing the laser at. Bad weather was main reason why Americans didn't have as much success in Kosovo as they would have liked it to be.
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Post by karabin on Feb 21, 2009 8:08:04 GMT -5
^ Laser precision and Guided Munitions are no joke. 99% Success rate in any kind of weather, scenario, or climate. Are you sure you are not talking about satelite guided munitions because I could swear that bad weather effects laser guided munitions mainly because to point the laser at your target you have to see it so naturally if you are flying above cloud cover you cant see what you are pointing the laser at. Bad weather was main reason why Americans didn't have as much success in Kosovo as they would have liked it to be. He is talking about all kinds of guided munitions. You are right about the laser part. The limiting factor however is not the line of sight (as there is optical cameras that can see through clouds), it is rather the laser itself. You see whilst the laser does penetrate clouds and paints the target, the receiver on the bomb itself needs to pick up a very very very weak reflected modulated laser beam. We are talking in mV or even uV here (depending on distance of target) that need to be amplified to usable levels. Now that weak reflected laser light will not penetrate the clouds as so the pilot can lock on. That is why radar and GPS(sattelite) guided munitions have been introduced -> all weather capability. But that is not to say that Laser guided munitions are now ruled out. As far as serbia is concerned, other than bad weather, NATO pilots were forced to fly at much higher altitudes (due to Serbias Anti Air defenses) as those guided munitions were made to operate at maximum precision. The combination of the two made hitting/locking on targets at times impossible
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Feb 21, 2009 22:02:45 GMT -5
Bomb Serbia, Bomb Serbia! lol
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Post by tito on Feb 21, 2009 22:09:49 GMT -5
"Bomb them and bomb them some more until these Chetnik bastards beg for the mercy they never showed anybody in this war." (Sarajevan after NATO air strikes 1995)
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Post by kapetan on Feb 21, 2009 22:34:27 GMT -5
"Bomb them and bomb them some more until these Chetnik bastards beg for the mercy they never showed anybody in this war."(Sarajevan after NATO air strikes 1995)
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Post by markosijekira on Feb 22, 2009 3:28:13 GMT -5
"Don’t be like that, tell us which of the mentioned warplanes Bosnia should choose. "
Fine, if i had to choose, I would go for the Grippen, the package you get for that price is very good, and it's a fantastic fighter. The F-16 is old, and Bosnia would only get used units, and since BiH wants to be in NATO i doubt the Migs would be an option. But I still say, helos, say no to fixed wings ;D
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Post by bihvojska on Feb 22, 2009 4:53:51 GMT -5
im telling u the best planes are the plane that can kill the serbian planes... :} j/k seriously tho the gripen or euro fighter are our best choice the mig wont be accepted in nato and f16 is just plain old... :}
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Post by MiG on Feb 23, 2009 11:21:15 GMT -5
^ There are vast amounts of differences between the two jets. Structurally and Electronically. Excellent flight in one of them. A roller coaster 30,000 feet in the air. It's exhilarating. After you ridiculing me in this manner, I just do not see how we can be friends anymore Nah, but I recall the plane from the shuttle landings when they showed them on the TV from time to time Awesome aircraft indeed. If anything, it should become a fighter, as Germany is using it as a stepping stone for the MAKO HEAT project. Ohh nice 6 fighters to compliment the awesome 10,000 strong army with its fantastic M16A1 crap shooters! Joking aside, Bosnia needs no air force, the money spent on the fighters, pilot training and maintenance, not to mention fuel, could be well spent on a decent helicopter fleet which would be far more useful for Bosnia. Amen to that. Read my mind there dude. Some Mi-24V's or Mi-28's would do great. Nothing beats a Russian Helicopter fitted with western Avionics/Electronics Systems. A fleet of 24-36 would do perfect for OSBiH. They should chose the one that they can get for cheap which would be the F-16 depending on the block and the MiG 29. Considering that Bosnia is leaning towards NATO it should probably go with the F-16 and I'm sure if we wait few years Americans will be offering us few of those for free or at least small percentage of its full price, meanwhile send 8 pilots and maintenance crews that will be looking after those planes to train in Turkey and America so when we do get them we can start flying them right away. Both old fighters from the 1980's, but still great. In 10 years, they will be outdated, and will have little use in the skies, other than turkey shoot and target practice. Getting new jets such as you describe, is not an easy task at all. Logistics is always a b***h to get over, always. The costs are big, and even if the jets are "donated" you'll still be paying for extras; which come up to, and include, Mech. Support, Tech. Support, Spares, Missiles, Rounds, Electronics, Electronics Support (Programs for the RWR, TWS, TBD, HOTAS etc..) ^ Laser precision and Guided Munitions are no joke. 99% Success rate in any kind of weather, scenario, or climate. Are you sure you are not talking about satelite guided munitions because I could swear that bad weather effects laser guided munitions mainly because to point the laser at your target you have to see it so naturally if you are flying above cloud cover you cant see what you are pointing the laser at. Bad weather was main reason why Americans didn't have as much success in Kosovo as they would have liked it to be. Here is what you didn't specify. In a given scenario to use Laser Guided Precision Munitions, you will always have a designator on the ground (such as a Marine Recon detachment/team) to designate and light up the target, in which the trajectory/speed/distance/freefall rate is automatically calculated by the bomb (Such as a GBU-10 Paveway). Bad weather has nothing to do with it, IF there is a task force on the ground doing the spotting. But as said, if its strictly an air campaign, such as Kosovo was, then you have to do your own bidding as the pilot, or do an old, natural, stuka dive to hit the target physically (Using old age tactics, for new age weapons). im telling u the best planes are the plane that can kill the serbian planes... :} j/k seriously tho the gripen or euro fighter are our best choice the mig wont be accepted in nato and f16 is just plain old... :} Why wouldn't a MiG-29 be accepted into NATO? Look at Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria. All nations in NATO with operational MiG-29 fleets (Except Romania, as they grounded their entire fleet and is on sale), are still using them to their fullest extent. It sure as hell is better than any F-16's, and that is why those Air Forces still use it. It's not that difficult to synchronize it with NATO mainstream, all you have to do is switch up the IFF.
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