Why we are all hypocrites; how history repeats Nov 21, 2008 12:31:28 GMT -5
Post by fazlinho on Nov 21, 2008 12:31:28 GMT -5
No, I'm saying it was quite easy than. For an example, when the Pope told the Bosnian king to convert, he did, while now we say fuck off. That's what I mean.
You’re lolling at Islam being an invading force! OK sorry, no the Turks were a friendly bunch & the Serbs were quite happy to let them in. The Battle of Kosovo was actually a big celebration of the arrival of the Turks… As for Raska and the Serbian church that stands about 500 years before the arrival of Islam, why pretend you don’t understand the point when it’s bleeding obvious? It’s basically my response to the ridiculous statements I hear from Bosniaks along the lines of… people weren’t religious, that they were Pagan, that Christianity wasn’t well established, that it was easy to convert etc.
Now I understand what you mean. You, not you only, a lot of people need to detach Islam from Turks.It's quite simple, Islam is a religion, Turks are a nation. The day you'll understand it, it will be a great day for everyone. Turks had their empire, as there were many muslim other ones. As me myself pointed out earlier, I clearly said Turks came BY THE SWORD. But history tells us Islam did not. As I stated earlier, Turks had only an advantage of keeping less muslims as possible.
Did I say there was a convert or die policy? I wasn’t even leading that way. But you have something ruthless like the Devshirme policy to convert Serbs. You have unfair taxes. You have poverty. You have a military force. You have a social structure & all sorts of pressures to convert people. And yes it is completely different from Serbs converting to Christianity from weak Pagan religious beliefs. I think that the Serbs conversion to Christianity was mostly confirmed by Ciril & Methodius who spoke the language of the people. They didn’t invade by force. Sveti Sava confirmed this even more with the “Serbian” Orthodox church, all well before Islam arrived.
Let's go through it one by one: devshirme, I agree, it wasn't a nice thing.
Unfair taxes = taxes were always paid all around the world, there never has been a fair tax to anyone.
Poverty= I won't even comment...
You have a military force = what empire doesn't ,
You have a social structure & all sorts of pressures to convert people = as I said a billion time, give me proof or just don't say it.
People didn't convert by force, so there's really no parallel.
Nov 21, 2008 10:55:33 GMT -5 @fazlinho said:
Your were either forced or massively pressured or the son of someone who was.
bs, simple as that.