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Post by terroreign on Apr 14, 2008 14:29:45 GMT -5
The clear descendents of the Ancient Bulgars are today known as the Balkars, who speak turkic like the ancient bulgars and live where old-bulgaria was located.
They can tell you what "Bulgar" means, unlike a bulgarian slav-speaker.
Now you believe you have more of a right to the name "Bulgar" than them?
This situation is the same as the Greek-Macedonian conflict, yet you immediately disregard it...
As I said, criticism is natural and welcomed. But a name's a name.
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Post by yiannisss on Apr 14, 2008 18:50:28 GMT -5
Okay, the majority of macedonians agree they are slavs but see themselves ethnicnically as Macedonian. Your personal problem can be fixed by just asking, "You're macedonian? Slavic or Hellenic?" Easy as that, and everyone goes home happy. Their "majority" then should also accept to put that distiction in their name in order to make it accurate and specific, just to make sure that their different identity from the Greek Macedonians is registered and mutually aknowledged, and that their nationalists aspirations on Greek Macedonia are not welcome by their majorities. If that would make us both happy, as you said, then I don't see the reason for the dispute. But I think that you are wrong and that they don't really like this idea. They want to be considered the only Macedonians, and this is what their current consitutional name actually suggests, and this is why they are so unshakable about it. Nations and people live in lies constantly, America throughout the 1800's believed it was a divine right to migrate west and kill indians. And what makes you think that the indians should agree with that lie of theirs? And what makes you think that the Greek Macedonians should accept their own identity's name jeopartization by our beloved neightboors at the north, without reaction?
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Post by terroreign on Apr 14, 2008 21:57:44 GMT -5
If you're certain Alexander is a greek, and that the world's scholars are sure, then you have nothing to worry about.
As I said a name's a name, they have their right to keep the name and not add anything to it.
Btw words like "Suggest" "Assume" or "Imply" are not words used in solid accusations.
And why aren't they vetoing America because of it? ;D
Because it's a people's right to choose what name they want, and if the greeks are confident in their history they'd have no problem or insecurities about the issue.
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Post by yiannisss on Apr 15, 2008 3:15:40 GMT -5
As I said a name's a name, they have their right to keep the name and not add anything to it. In this case, everyone has the right to defend against such identity attacks in any way possible! But I thought that we had a UN sponsored effort for finding a mutually accepted solution. And that everyone's rights are limited where some others' rights start! And why aren't they vetoing America because of it? ;D Because they are not a seperate entity today. And also because there were not such procedures during the previous centruries.
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Post by filomen on Apr 15, 2008 5:10:06 GMT -5
anyway y cany say that macedonian are greec tribes as the anscient writers didnt
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 15, 2008 5:38:46 GMT -5
^^^ whatever dumbass..
pick up an encyclopedia
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Apr 15, 2008 22:18:51 GMT -5
I have a GREEEEEK uncle who has been calling himself a Macedonian before Fyrom became a country. He has been a Macedonian from birth.
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Post by filomen on Apr 16, 2008 6:18:00 GMT -5
in fact I have look for smth but never find nothing, never as a simple word that say the macedoninan tribe were elines origin , but find smth like macedonina are barbarian that have nothing to do with the greeks
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Post by terroreign on Apr 16, 2008 6:25:37 GMT -5
^^Look at the greek sites, truth is sure to be there.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 16, 2008 7:15:10 GMT -5
did you ever read " specifically " that the spartans were hellenes ? Probably not...but everybody knows this. Same applies here...again..pick up a bbc video about ancient macedonia.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 16, 2008 15:15:21 GMT -5
Such a world is this world, when it revolves around yourself.
Do you know there's a BBC Macedonia? Its in Makedonski ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 17, 2008 1:46:19 GMT -5
"Their name is Macedonia, yours is Greece
Get used to it."
You still don't get it don't you!.....anyway, do you want to share with us about your Grandparents history who are Albanians from Vardar who migrated to Montenegro
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 17, 2008 1:59:43 GMT -5
"Same can be said for the Albanian people and their illyrian connection..." Yes your steven hawkings illyrian gene map proves it all "One thing I support is their country being called Macedonia, and them being Macedonians." I don't and l think the Greeks should not allow no compromise to this lunacy like *New Macedonia* etc....because to me it leaves this door open for them, like they did with the *FYROM* name......actually *New Macedonia* is closer to their desired goal What do you think about Nth Epirus?
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Post by terroreign on Apr 17, 2008 13:00:28 GMT -5
Novi you're really running hawkings into the ground already...
Its greece.
Macedonia is still macedonia and they have a right to the name.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 17, 2008 18:54:28 GMT -5
^ Vardarians are not Macedonian of the Hellenic *Alexander the Great*.
Extremely simple question terro, did the people of Alexander's time speak slavonic?......as l remember the slavs were up in those marshes and swamps in the Baltic region back in Alexander's time.
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