Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 18, 2008 11:06:09 GMT -5
I agree it's my favourite one also...
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MiG
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Post by MiG on Nov 18, 2008 13:25:40 GMT -5
That is a F-14 Tomcat, the photo is courtesy of the US government... My last avatar was also plane related, and now I have this one, a tribute to perhaps the most sexy fighter jet of all times Great to see you have taste bro. Ever see it in NSAWC Colours?
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Post by bog on Nov 18, 2008 14:00:55 GMT -5
That is a F-14 Tomcat, the photo is courtesy of the US government... My last avatar was also plane related, and now I have this one, a tribute to perhaps the most sexy fighter jet of all times Great to see you have taste bro. Ever see it in NSAWC Colours? It doesnt get better then NSAWC colours, if we are talking about the same thing that is, you mean the blue camo colour, that US jets do not use, but that is mostly used on russian Flankers?
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Nov 18, 2008 15:36:57 GMT -5
Arsenije, where the heck did you notice Croats wanting to be Germans? I've never seen someone carry the flag or speak of patriotism for Germany. You are probably thinking of the =U= who are extremists believing only in Croatian dominancy. Now, sorry that we have a clean and westernized country while the rest of the Balkans are in pashaluks, but no need to make up baloney. Oh no, now we want to become Italians...I've said too much. Arrivederci, erm...
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 18, 2008 15:40:43 GMT -5
hahahaha exalt!
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Post by kapetan on Nov 18, 2008 17:05:52 GMT -5
How is Balkan a made up identity? You come from that region you are Balkan. You come from the Middle East you are Middle Eastern. You come from the Baltic countries you're Baltic. Iberian penisnusla etc.
It's about the only concrete unifying thing in the whole region and people have always talked about "the Balkan man".
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 18, 2008 17:11:30 GMT -5
Because if you read my earlier posts, Croatia is not and never was in the original Balkans. In 1808 it was included in the "Balkan peninsula". Thus it is a made up identity such as Yugoslavia, get it?
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Post by kapetan on Nov 18, 2008 17:15:36 GMT -5
Oh puh-leeeze. I admit it's not concrete for parts of Croatia but face it, you will be known as Balkan now, can't change that. The Western Balkan states according to the European Union
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Post by vinjak on Nov 18, 2008 18:05:34 GMT -5
I guess if they dont want to be who really gives a toss they can call themselves what they want.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 18, 2008 18:21:55 GMT -5
I think it's the attitude of "oh we're not that because we're better then the rest of you" that's bothering me more then anything. like being balkan is bad. ive always been proud of it.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 18, 2008 18:54:24 GMT -5
Well you can be proud of it but don;t push it on other's... Please read this... Western Balkans European Union institutions and member states define the "Western Balkans" as Albania and the constituent republics of the former Yugoslavia, minus Slovenia.[4] The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development uses "Western Balkans" to refer to the above states, minus Croatia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalkansThe map you provided is incorrect even thought you got it from wiki, it contradicts what they say above...too funny. So who's contradicting who ?
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Nov 18, 2008 19:12:40 GMT -5
Does everyone have to conform to your opinion? You go and be proud of a region and we'll be proud of our country.
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tyson
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Post by tyson on Nov 19, 2008 1:50:01 GMT -5
if we are talking about culturally balkan, then i think that croats are balkan. well atleast croats of croatia from the dinaric areas, dalmatian hinterland and southern dalmatia.
geographically, croatia is definately part of the balkan peninsula. maybe not the pannonian part, but if romania is considered part of the balkans then pannonian croatia is aswell.
to my opinion, the reason why alot of croats dont want to associate with being balkan, is because of the war with the serbs, and the serbs always calling themselves balkanci, and even making songs about it. so the word balkan or balkanci has come to the meaning by some croats as meaning, "serbs".
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Post by markosijekira on Nov 19, 2008 6:36:32 GMT -5
You want to know how Balkan Croats are, just go to a football match in Kantrida, watch Rijeka trash Split, and then watch the "after party". Hop to Stari Grad and look at the cigarette black market dealers, and sure a shit they play turbo folk in some of the diskotekas... When I go home to visit, i know when I'm in Austria, and when i'm in the Balkans. And i don't think Croats pretend to be Germans, some do for sure, but I don't see it when I go home...Slovenes on the other hand...
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Post by tyson on Nov 19, 2008 6:56:05 GMT -5
i never heard of or seen croats trying to be germans. i heard croats try to say they are "central european" rather than balkan, but this german thing is news to me. sounds like sound bullshyt propaganda made by some silly croat hating serbs. You want to know how Balkan Croats are, just go to a football match in Kantrida, watch Rijeka trash Split, and then watch the "after party". Hop to Stari Grad and look at the cigarette black market dealers, and sure a s**t they play turbo folk in some of the diskotekas... hehe, yeh i agree that croats from rijeka like to pump turbofolk. same with croats from pula. matter of fact turbofolk is big all over pannonian croatia,.. zagreb, karlovac, sisak, osijek , slavonski brod. especially by janjevci from dubrava,zagreb i think turbofolk is least played in dalmatia , but ofcourse its played there too, but on a much smaller scale, except kistanje, which is filled with janjevci, lol. they love to blast turbofolk
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 19, 2008 13:42:08 GMT -5
Politically considered Balkans (I would include Hungary there) Geographically considered Balkans PS: Croatia, welcome to the family. Hugs and kisses. ;D
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 19, 2008 14:56:05 GMT -5
^^^The topic was asking whether Croatians feel/relate Balkan, it was not talking "politically" speaking. Anyway why do different sources have different stances, that's right politics.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Nov 20, 2008 3:43:00 GMT -5
I guess if they dont want to be who really gives a toss they can call themselves what they want. Most intelligent response I've read on this thread so far.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 21, 2008 12:31:31 GMT -5
Did you miss the part that said 40% of them do think they're in the Balkans? To be fair to them I'll just 40% of the time think of Croats as being in the Balkans rather than the 100% statistic of everyone else thinking they are in the Balkans.
Anyway, here's some Balkan pride music. Rapping by an Albanian (Djogani), singing by a Bosnianian (Miles Kitic), singing by a Serb (Sladja Delibasic) & choreographed by a Croatian (Irma Omerzo). Kick arse.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 21, 2008 12:52:33 GMT -5
The Balkan Peninsula, as defined by the Danube-Sava-Kupa line.The ancient Greek name for the Balkan Peninsula was the "Peninsula of Haemus” (Χερσόνησος τοῦ Αἵμου, Chersónēsos tou Haímou). The first time the name "Balkan" was used in the West for the mountain range in Bulgaria was in a letter by Buonaccorsi Callimarco, an Italian humanist, writer and diplomat in 1490. An English traveler, John Morritt, introduced this term into the English literature at the end of the 18th century, and other authors started applying the name to the wider area between the Adriatic and the Black Sea. The concept of the “Balkan peninsula” was created by the German geographer August Zeune in 1808.[3] As time passed, the term gradually obtained political connotations far from its initial geographic meaning, arising from political changes from the late 1800s to the creation of post-World War I Yugoslavia (initially the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes). Zeune's goal was to have a geographical parallel term to the Italic and Iberian Peninsula, and seemingly nothing more. The gradually acquired political connotations are newer, and, to a large extent, due to oscillating political circumstances. The term Balkans is generally used to describe areas that remained under Turkish rule after 1699, namely: Bulgaria, Serbia (except for Vojvodina), Macedonia, Thrace, Albania, Epirus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro (except for the Boka Bay and Budva), central Greece and the Peloponnese. Vojvodina and Transylvania, it is argued, do not belong to Balkans. After the split of Yugoslavia beginning in June 1991, the term 'Balkans' again received a negative meaning, even in casual usage (see Balkanization). Over the last decade, in the wake of the former Yugoslav split, Slovenes have rejected their former label as 'Balkan nations'. This is in part due to the pejorative connotation of the term 'Balkans' in the 1990s, and continuation of this meaning until now. Today, the term 'Southeast Europe' is preferred or, in the case of Slovenia and Croatia, 'Central Europe'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans
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