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Post by SKORIC on Nov 25, 2008 8:03:58 GMT -5
lol.. i know the black guy next to gotovina might get to some of yous but posting pics of Serb refugees isnt called for.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Nov 25, 2008 8:14:35 GMT -5
Refugees? More like immigrants, or "domestically challenged."
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 25, 2008 9:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by karabin on Nov 25, 2008 11:01:06 GMT -5
LOL operation oluja: Because it is easy to wage war when NATO has got your back covered and air strikes are carried out against serbian positions.
This is what wikipedia has to say about the "little" NATO help both Ustase and Balije received from the west aka NATO:
Croatia:
Another important and perhaps not as widely recognized issue was the role of NATO in the operation. Prior to the Operation, they were actively involved in tracking General Gotovina's movements and that of his army. NATO forces assisted in clearing Serb blockades and with logistical and communications issues. This occurred as a result of their wish to push the Serbs to the negotiating table, in Dayton, Ohio
Bosnia:
The 1995 NATO bombing in Bosnia and Herzegovina (code-named by NATO Operation Deliberate Force) was a sustained air campaign conducted by the North-Atlantic military organization to undermine the military capability of the Bosnian Serb Army who threatened and attacked UN-designated "safe areas" in Bosnia. The operation was carried out between 30 August and 20 September 1995, involving 400 aircraft and 5000 personnel from 15 nations. During the campaign, a total of 3515 sorties were flown against 338 individual targets.
LOL is all I can say. What is even more sad is that Ustase are collecting the credit for work done by Western Forces. If I was a Croat I would be ashamed about this so called "operation storm". Croatia has never won a war on her own simply due to the fact that Croats are mainly p**ies and have always been sucking up to a bigger power. It has always taken a superior power to prevent Croats from complete Serbian domination.
Some "great" operation you had there. Once again, all thanks go to NATO.
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 11:46:59 GMT -5
Operation Stormen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_StormSerb army in Croatia:40,000 soldiers, 150 tanks, 350 artillery pieces, 20 rocket launchers, 10 helicopters Territory occupied by the serb army in Croatia:17.028 km2 !!! (More then all of Montenegro!) Serb casualties and losses:700 soliders !!! Now how does one manage to loose a territory bigger then Montenegro with only 700 dead soldiers??
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Post by Zvone on Nov 25, 2008 12:36:42 GMT -5
Simply put, it was a planned evacuation.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 25, 2008 12:59:27 GMT -5
It was clear by the mid-1990s that the RSK was economically inviable without a peace deal or support from Yugoslavia.[15] This was especially clear in Belgrade where the RSK had become an unwanted economic and political burden for Miloðevi¿. His government sought to push the rebelled Croatian Serbs into settling the conflict but was rebuffed, much to its frustration.[9]
The republic's weakness also affected its armed forces, the Vojska Srpske Krajine (VSK). Since the 1992 ceasefire had been agreed, Croatia had spent large sums of money importing weapons and training its armed forces with the aid of American contractors. At the same time, the VSK had grown steadily weaker, with its soldiers poorly motivated, trained and equipped. The VSK had only about 55,000 soldiers available to cover a front of some 600 km in Croatia plus 100 km along the border with the Bihaã pocket in Bosnia; 16,000 of these were stationed in eastern Slavonia, leaving only some 39,000 to defend the main part of the RSK. In reality, only 30,000 of the theoretical 55,000 were capable of being fully mobilised
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Following the rejection by both sides of the Z-4 plan for reintegration, the RSK's end came in 1995, when Croatian forces gained control of western Slavonia in Operation Flash (May) followed by the biggest part of occupied Croatia in an overrunning way in Operation Storm (August). The RSK was disbanded, and almost the entire Serb population fled.[9] Croatia celebrates the liberation on August 5 as Victory and Homeland Thanksgiving Day.
A number of Croatian army officers (such as general Ante Gotovina) were indicted by the ICTY in the Hague for alleged command responsibility for the atrocities committed by Croatian soldiers against the civilian Serb population.[17] Serbia did not intervene, having earlier indicated in the state-controlled media that it was finally washing its hands of the rebelled Croatian Serbs.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 25, 2008 13:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 13:15:14 GMT -5
The serbs of Croatian Krajina are the biggest p**ies compared to the Bosniaks of Bosnian Krajina.
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Post by Zvone on Nov 25, 2008 13:55:49 GMT -5
Yes, it was a planned retreat. Thanks Skoric. Good point.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 25, 2008 14:00:13 GMT -5
Im not denying anything. Why would Serb civilians not retreat from the advancing Croatian army after what happened when the Croats went into Medak pocket etc. Im not saying that the whole army was out to kill all the Serbs but there was still that fear and there was still the minority in the army who would have and did on a number of occasions.
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 14:42:24 GMT -5
Im not denying anything. Why would Serb civilians not retreat from the advancing Croatian army The question is why did the VSK retreat after only 700 dead soldiers?
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Post by vinjak on Nov 25, 2008 16:00:42 GMT -5
The question is why did the VSK retreat after only 700 dead soldiers?
The question is are you really that stupid ? support was withdrawn, a World superpower was now calling the shots and about to execute there plan...unlike some who found it useful for propaganda purposes to have there civilians put in harms way, a withdrawl and evacuation of civilians was executed...if you ask me, had the other leaders done the same for there people the civilian death toll would be much lower.
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 16:39:13 GMT -5
The question is why did the VSK retreat after only 700 dead soldiers? support was withdrawn, a World superpower was now calling the shots and about to execute there plan...unlike some who found it useful for propaganda purposes to have there civilians put in harms way, a withdrawl and evacuation of civilians was executed...if you ask me, had the other leaders done the same for there people the civilian death toll would be much lower. The idea of an entire army abandoning the country that it was created to defend is totally unfamiliar to me. I can understand the concept of tactical retreat from one mountain to another but for an army to abandon it’s own country ?! It’s just absurd. I’m not familiar with the constitution of RSK but in BiH it would be considered treason.
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Post by tiprat on Nov 25, 2008 16:41:56 GMT -5
serbia would be a great nation
if it could wipe of its own propaganda and realise they got WHIPED and LOST with the power of the JNA army on there side
live with it guys, except it and move on.......exuces and propaganda will get you nowhere.
croats have the right to be proud of such a operation and is widely appreciated as a unbelivably successfuly operation globaly.
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Post by vinjak on Nov 25, 2008 17:53:55 GMT -5
The idea of an entire army abandoning the country that it was created to defend is totally unfamiliar to me. I can understand the concept of tactical retreat from one mountain to another but for an army to abandon it’s own country ?! It’s just absurd. I’m not familiar with the constitution of RSK but in BiH it would be considered treason.
Oh but I know you are just playing dumb and if not maybe you should stop looking at and trying to find pictures of severed heads and start reading about events during the Wars. ;D
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 18:02:36 GMT -5
Seriously vinjak, who gave the VSK the right to abandon a territory bigger then both Kosova and Montenegro in only 3-4 days??
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Post by srbobran on Nov 25, 2008 18:32:38 GMT -5
if it could wipe of its own propaganda and realise they got WHIPED and LOST with the power of the JNA army on there side
Even though that retard Milosevic pulled out Serbian support in 1992/3 and from then , the Kraijna Serbs were essentially left to fend for themselves against Croatia and NATO. He did the same thing with Bosnian Serbs later on.
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 25, 2008 21:42:05 GMT -5
The question is why did the VSK retreat after only 700 dead soldiers? support was withdrawn, a World superpower was now calling the shots and about to execute there plan...unlike some who found it useful for propaganda purposes to have there civilians put in harms way, a withdrawl and evacuation of civilians was executed...if you ask me, had the other leaders done the same for there people the civilian death toll would be much lower. The idea of an entire army abandoning the country that it was created to defend is totally unfamiliar to me. I can understand the concept of tactical retreat from one mountain to another but for an army to abandon it’s own country ?! It’s just absurd. I’m not familiar with the constitution of RSK but in BiH it would be considered treason. So Krajina Serbs should have done what Muslims in Srebrenica during July 1995 did instead? Yep that worked out real fine, no wonder the concept of escaping with your life is not familiar to you, lol.
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Post by tito on Nov 25, 2008 23:51:58 GMT -5
Learn to read: how does one manage to loose a territory bigger then Montenegro with only 700 dead soldiers?? The question is why did the VSK retreat after only 700 dead soldiers? The idea of an entire army abandoning the country that it was created to defend is totally unfamiliar to me. I can understand the concept of tactical retreat from one mountain to another but for an army to abandon it’s own country ?! It’s just absurd. I’m not familiar with the constitution of RSK but in BiH it would be considered treason. Seriously vinjak, who gave the VSK the right to abandon a territory bigger then both Kosova and Montenegro in only 3-4 days??
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