Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:02:48 GMT -5
Yes it does matter what one thinks, and if you actually saw this "map" all of Zargorje and Slavonija, almost half of Croatia's population doesn't even fit into this "Balkan geographic location". So yes it does matter, I hail from Slavonija which is not considered Balkan, while the other regions is questionable anyway. So please stop telling people what they are; stick to Albanian issues and causes.
Which made up term has only been in existance for a couple hundred years. If this is the case then all countries in this region are considered not a mentality, but merley a "geographical location".
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Post by tyson on Dec 26, 2008 3:09:26 GMT -5
i am a croat, and i say that croatia is part of the balkans
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Post by malsor4life on Dec 26, 2008 3:11:35 GMT -5
Yes it does matter what one thinks, and if you actually saw this "map" all of Zargorje and Slavonija, almost half of Croatia's population doesn't even fit into this "Balkan geographic location". So yes it does matter, I hail from Slavonija which is not considered Balkan, while the other regions is questionable anyway. So please stop telling people what they are; stick to Albanian issues and causes. Which made up term has only been in existance for a couple hundred years. If this is the case then all countries in this region are considered not a mentality, but merley a "geographical location". Slavonija and all of Croatia is 100% within the Balkan peninsula, look at the definition of peninsula in a dictionary. What some random Wiki map says is irrelevant. |
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:13:59 GMT -5
I think you can't defferentiate between peninsula and the Balkan peninsula, but anway, as I said best wise to stick to your "geographical location", and I will stick to mine wich is Croatia, not some made up word for the region.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 26, 2008 3:19:55 GMT -5
And is the air different from that in the Balkans? Or there is some other obstacle that prevents this area from any closeness to the Balkan?
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 26, 2008 3:20:00 GMT -5
The EU classifies the Balkans as being Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Kosovo in many of its documents ... noticeably leaving Croatia out of that group. I'm happy with that.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:23:16 GMT -5
Is the air different in Slovenia, in Hungary, in France, in Germany???
As I said the whole region is questionable, and in some maps these regions (northern and eastern Croatia) are excluded. It's not about being ashamed, it's about proving a point of which we are correct. :-)
Above Cikola comments on Croatia not being classified as Balkan according to the EU. I have not read about that, but wouldn't discount it anyway. I wouldn't care what They classify it as, I look to history.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 26, 2008 3:26:45 GMT -5
I am not very familiar with Croatian history but from what I know, a great part of it is connected with the history of the Balkans. You are not going to deny that, are you?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:30:54 GMT -5
Of course it's connected when it's next door to countries that are considered Balkan and has been invaded by it's Balkan neighbours countless times. That's the only connection. Full stop.
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Post by malsor4life on Dec 26, 2008 3:30:58 GMT -5
So i guess if some Greeks decided they dont wanna be part of the Balkan peninsula anymore, that would fly with you.
Yep ur right, its all about mentality and nothing to do with location LoL !
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Post by karabin on Dec 26, 2008 3:31:43 GMT -5
The EU classifies the Balkans as being Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Kosovo in many of its documents ... noticeably leaving Croatia out of that group. I'm happy with that. Can you provide us with these documents? I would love to see them. Seeing as how you say that those documents state that we have to assume that you have seen them. So please post a link, picture, document itself...etc The picture in the OP is from wikipedia depicting half of croatia as part of the balkans. If we were to go by your theory then Serbia also isn't part of the Balkans because northern Serbia is not tagged as such. Here is the US Department of State and look who they have listed under the Balkan region... you are absolutely right Pico it is Croatia www.state.gov/p/eur/rt/balkans/Here is another picture from europmap.org  Jesus man if you still believe that Croatia is not in the Balkans then I suggest you jump off a bridge. |
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 26, 2008 3:33:43 GMT -5
It would be nice to see some of those Cikola since under the The Thessaloniki agenda for the Western Balkans: Moving towards European Integration, Croatia did not protest to being lumped up with FYROM, Bosnia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro under the umbrella 'western Balkans'...
What you are most likely seeing is not a regional differentiation but rather a candidature differentiation...
Under this logic, I can proclaim myself 'King of all men' and thus I am, even though the rest of the world laughs at it.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:37:21 GMT -5
Western Balkans
European Union institutions and member states define the "Western Balkans" as Albania and the constituent republics of the former Yugoslavia, minus Slovenia.[5] The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development uses "Western Balkans" to refer to the above states, minus Croatia.
The above is from wiki, but this a modern day analogy. A new found "geographical location" :-)
And under this logic the rest of the world laughed when we considered ourselves Croat/Croatian rather than Yugoslav; but who had the last laugh in the end?
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Post by rusebg on Dec 26, 2008 3:38:22 GMT -5
What a small connection...It would be the same if I say that Ottomans insignificantly ruled the Balkans just because they were here for some miserable 5 centuries...
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Post by karabin on Dec 26, 2008 3:39:19 GMT -5
That is beautiful now I can go and draw up my own atlas. What the fuck is this world coming to. I think the world's morale is at an all time low.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 3:42:49 GMT -5
We have been also connected/ruled by Austria and Italy(Roman) also, get the point? The air seems better there don't you think? Perhaps we should become Austrian or Italian? Just anything else, but somehow we are not allowed to be Croatia is peoples idiodic logic.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 26, 2008 3:45:46 GMT -5
Who says you are not allowed to be Croatia? It is just that you deny for some reason your obvious connection to the Balkans.
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Post by tyson on Dec 26, 2008 4:08:02 GMT -5
i've said this in another thread aswell,......
if we are talking about culturally balkan, then i think that croats are balkan. well atleast croats of croatia from the dinaric areas, dalmatian hinterland and southern dalmatia.
geographically, croatia is definately part of the balkan peninsula. maybe not the pannonian part, but if romania is considered part of the balkans then pannonian croatia is aswell.
to my opinion, the reason why alot of croats dont want to associate with being balkan, is because of the war with the serbs, and the serbs always calling themselves balkanci, and even making songs about it. so the word balkan or balkanci has come to the meaning by some croats as meaning, "serbs" or having some shared association with serbs.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 26, 2008 4:20:56 GMT -5
I never once denied the connection to our neighbours, but as I said we are connected to other's where the air is better. Austrian peninsula here we come.
tyson, it has nothing to do with the serbs, it's a mentality and geographical issue. Geographically we were never Balkan untill some recent times in history...i.e within the last couple hundred years. Thanks to that German who put us in the basket.
Great even a Croat who considers himself Balkan denies Pannonia (maybe lol), perfect; I am not Balkan. So it it or isn't it, can anyone make up their mind where the actual borders lie and what their firm stance is? I feel like I'm talking to some French fence sitters.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 26, 2008 4:24:43 GMT -5
 You know what annoys Austrians most? When they are told that The Balkans start from their country. Now tell me where to put Croatia in such case ;D
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