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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 16:52:09 GMT -5
^ Ironically the first bullet was fired by a Bosnian Muslim at a Serb wedding. Croats/Serbs blow up Mosques. So in turn Bosnian Muslims burn down Churches. Fair trade. “Fair” is to punish the cetnik and ustasa crusaders in the cruelest possible way since the cetnik and ustasa crusaders gave themselves the right to kill defenseless civilians with no regards to the Geneva convention. Same goes for Bosnian Muslims and their allies from the Arab world.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 4, 2009 16:52:22 GMT -5
and ur arabs fellows did respect the geneva?
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 16:55:35 GMT -5
So when Serbs and Croats blow up every mosque they can get their hands on in Bosnia it is "just nationalism" but when an Arab comes to defend a helpless civilians in Bosnia it is "sick"??They are buildings that can and are being rebuilt same as th churches that were destroyed you cannot compare that with what these Arabs were doing I know for a fact that some of your own fell under these f^%ks knives chansaws axes etc. My point was that blowing up every mosque in the temporarily occupied territories is clear evidence of religious hatred which MiG was trying to deny.
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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 16:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 16:57:22 GMT -5
So when Serbs and Croats blow up every mosque they can get their hands on in Bosnia it is "just nationalism" but when an Arab comes to defend a helpless civilians in Bosnia it is "sick"??They are buildings that can and are being rebuilt same as th churches that were destroyed you cannot compare that with what these Arabs were doing I know for a fact that some of your own fell under these f^%ks knives chansaws axes etc. My point was that blowing up every mosque in the temporarily occupied territories is clear evidence of religious hatred which MiG was trying to deny. That was tito trying to be a psychologist. He states that Bosnia should be united, while he pushes the Serbs and Croats away. Read the above article.
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 16:57:43 GMT -5
If they where from Bosnia they should joined the Bosnian army(treason is punished with execution according to Bosnian law), if they where from outside Bosnia they should stayed out or expected to die. But the HVO and VRS were armies from BiH. Illegal armies, illegal combatants, terrorists and traitors who according to Bosnian law could be legally executed for treason.
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 16:59:47 GMT -5
If they where from Bosnia they should joined the Bosnian army(treason is punished with execution according to Bosnian law), if they where from outside Bosnia they should stayed out or expected to die.
What treason ? Anyone who takes up arms against the legal army of Bosnia is a traitor and can be executed for treason according to Bosnian law.
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 17:02:27 GMT -5
My point was that blowing up every mosque in the temporarily occupied territories is clear evidence of religious hatred which MiG was trying to deny. That was tito trying to be a psychologist. He states that Bosnia should be united, while he pushes the Serbs and Croats away. Read the above article. I have nothing against Bosnianserbs and Bosniancroats who are not traitors and enemies to the Bosnian state.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 4, 2009 17:05:11 GMT -5
If they where from Bosnia they should joined the Bosnian army(treason is punished with execution according to Bosnian law), if they where from outside Bosnia they should stayed out or expected to die.
What treason ? Anyone who takes up arms against the legal army of Bosnia is a traitor and can be executed for treason according to Bosnian law. Again you omit my answer to suit yourself.
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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 17:06:32 GMT -5
But the HVO and VRS were armies from BiH. Illegal armies, illegal combatants, terrorists and traitors who according to Bosnian law could be legally executed for treason. So why aren't they? If they where from Bosnia they should joined the Bosnian army(treason is punished with execution according to Bosnian law), if they where from outside Bosnia they should stayed out or expected to die.
What treason ? Anyone who takes up arms against the legal army of Bosnia is a traitor and can be executed for treason according to Bosnian law. What legal army? That was tito trying to be a psychologist. He states that Bosnia should be united, while he pushes the Serbs and Croats away. Read the above article. I have nothing against Bosnianserbs and Bosniancroats who are not traitors and enemies to the Bosnian state. Are you sure?
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 17:11:45 GMT -5
Illegal armies, illegal combatants, terrorists and traitors who according to Bosnian law could be legally executed for treason. So why aren't they? Because the Bosnian army was never allowed to liberate all of Bosnia, instead we got the Dayton-agreement according to which cetniks and ustashe are allowed to consume Bosnian air.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 4, 2009 17:15:58 GMT -5
^ that was pwend by
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Post by soko on Mar 4, 2009 17:22:59 GMT -5
Honestly, the only thing I find funny here is that some people who otherwise support the crimes of "their own" cry a river at the stories of what the Arabs did, when it is not different then what was the "norm" within "mo-pup units" in the Balkan wars.
And I have a harder time understanding why a Serb who has lived next to Bosniacs his whole life in a village in eastern Bosnia one day join the SDS paramilitaries, and rapes, decapitates, and burns alive the same people he worked with, lived with, perhaps even the same girl he dated when he was a teen.
I have a harder time getting that, then getting the Russians and Greeks and perhaps Romanians who came to Bosnia. Because, as much as I hate orthodox extremists, I know they were either just mercenaries, or brainwashed beyond belief.
These Arabs were either religious fanatics who were 100% convinced that this was the will of God, or they were people who had a warrant for their arrest back home in the middle east. But trying to portray their actions as somehow more evil then what was done in "mop up operations" by the especially the VRS, and to a lesser extent the HVO makes no sense.
And yes, Bosniacs were also killed by the Arabs, as they often were quite obsessed with "real/true Islam". I honestly don't know if the VRS had special brigades for these sorts of things, or if they used the locals, depends from place to place I guess.
The tragic thing is that the VRS POWs that were killed, probably were some random Bosnian Serbs in their 20s who just ended up there, in a meaningless war.
The ones I hate, well hate is to soft of a word, despise is better. Are those who willingly joined this insane attempt to ethnically cleanse us out of history, that were part of "special units", the SDS officials, and especially the people who came from Serbia proper, to have a "good time". Not the ones who were in the army of SiCG who were ordered there, but the ones who willingly joined.
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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 17:23:42 GMT -5
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 4, 2009 17:29:19 GMT -5
Honestly, the only thing I find funny here is that some people who otherwise support the crimes of "their own" cry a river at the stories of what the Arabs did, when it is not different then what was the "norm" within "mo-pup units" in the Balkan wars. And I have a harder time understanding why a Serb who has lived next to Bosniacs his whole life in a village in eastern Bosnia one day join the SDS paramilitaries, and rapes, decapitates, and burns alive the same people he worked with, lived with, perhaps even the same girl he dated when he was a teen. I have a harder time getting that, then getting the Russians and Greeks and perhaps Romanians who came to Bosnia. Because, as much as I hate orthodox extremists, I know they were either just mercenaries, or brainwashed beyond belief. These Arabs were either religious fanatics who were 100% convinced that this was the will of God, or they were people who had a warrant for their arrest back home in the middle east. But trying to portray their actions as somehow more evil then what was done in "mop up operations" by the especially the VRS, and to a lesser extent the HVO makes no sense. And yes, Bosniacs were also killed by the Arabs, as they often were quite obsessed with "real/true Islam". I honestly don't know if the VRS had special brigades for these sorts of things, or if they used the locals, depends from place to place I guess. The tragic thing is that the VRS POWs that were killed, probably were some random Bosnian Serbs in their 20s who just ended up there, in a meaningless war. The ones I hate, well hate is to soft of a word, despise is better. Are those who willingly joined this insane attempt to ethnically cleanse us out of history, that were part of "special units", the SDS officials, and especially the people who came from Serbia proper, to have a "good time". Not the ones who were in the army of SiCG who were ordered there, but the ones who willingly joined. I agree with the most of things u wrote.. I dont know how long u have read this forum. But i can guarantee u that most of serb and croat members here aint nothing like some bosniaks like tito.. So spend a little more time and make up ur mind about people here.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 4, 2009 17:52:10 GMT -5
And I have a harder time understanding why a Serb who has lived next to Bosniacs his whole life in a village in eastern Bosnia one day join the SDS paramilitaries, and rapes, decapitates, and burns alive the same people he worked with, lived with, perhaps even the same girl he dated when he was a teen.
Do you have the same hard time understanding why a Bosniak or a Croat did the same ?
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In WWII a lot of Serbs could not understand why there Bosnian neighbors they lived with, all of a Sudden turned on them. I bring WWII up because what happened during that period still has an impact on people today and back in the 90's, a lot of innocents where slaughtered because they thought by not picking up a gun or supporting any side they would be allowed to live in peace no one suspected that just because they were Serbs they would be taken away or slaughtered by there neighbors.
Honestly, the only thing I find funny here is that some people who otherwise support the crimes of "their own" cry a river at the stories of what the Arabs did, when it is not different then what was the "norm" within "mo-pup units" in the Balkan wars.
Not one that has "cryed a river" (as you put it) supports crimes by there own, what we have here is a nut job supporting the crimes of the Arabs and labeling it as justified.
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Post by soko on Mar 4, 2009 18:05:47 GMT -5
yes I do have the same hard time understanding why Bosniacs and Croats did the same thing. And yes a lot of Bosniacs, and Croat did the exact same thing in 1992.
you don't have issues with "collective punishment" of Bosniacs in ww2, and siptars are not even looked at as human, so yeah. The rather psychotic opinions of mr.tito regarding what should be done with regular VRS/HVO combatants is much the same psychotic opinion most Serbs here have in regards to the UCK combatants in Kosovo.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 4, 2009 18:20:51 GMT -5
you don't have issues with "collective punishment" of Bosniacs in ww2,
Yes I do, however I consider the finger pointers just as guilty as the ones who did the killings. I dont advocate or support killing I am a fan of the rot in jail for the rest of your life with hard hard labour.. the other way is too easy.
as much the same psychotic opinion most Serbs here have in regards to the UCK combatants in Kosovo.
I dont take any pleasure in seeing anyone executed (even though I can get emotional and write, someone should be hunted and put down) What I do get extreme satisfaction from is seeing criminals being dragged into Jail just like recently with the KLA suspects being dragged into the courthouse by our boys.
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Post by tito on Mar 4, 2009 18:21:37 GMT -5
The existence of armed forces fighting the Bosnian army on Bosnian territory is illegal, that’s what makes them all terrorists and traitors, that is why the Bosnian army had an right to execute all of them according to Bosnian law. I guess you can compare them the RSK-army which the army of Croatia had an legal right and obligation to fight as long RSK was present on the territory belonging to the state of Croatia.
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Post by MiG on Mar 4, 2009 18:40:09 GMT -5
The existence of armed forces fighting the Bosnian army on Bosnian territory is illegal, that’s what makes them all terrorists and traitors, that is why the Bosnian army had an right to execute all of them according to Bosnian law. I guess you can compare them the RSK-army which the army of Croatia had an legal right and obligation to fight as long RSK was present on the territory belonging to the state of Croatia. Ah, but we're talking about BiH. So prove to me that those armies were in face illegal. What actual document from that date and time states that? From what I remember, Izetbegovic (President of the Republic of BiH) actually recognized the HVO. Weird isn't it?
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