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Post by terroreign on Feb 7, 2008 2:46:12 GMT -5
Novi - I think you're ridiculous
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Post by Fender on Feb 7, 2008 8:32:25 GMT -5
'A Ivanov - zoshto ne mozhesh da veruvash deka Makedoncite ne se Bugari. Odi i gledaj tebe i nemoj da presuduvash drugite lugje, samo pochituvaj i kraj.' I meant to say 'mozash', besides that it was alright And Marko is still being a little sourpuss - samo provokiras jel Seljacki dialekt ;D Terroreign, ti si mi naj veci seljak ko postoji na ovum forum. Ti samo dalje igraj u pjeskom.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 7, 2008 17:41:30 GMT -5
"although linguistically the Albanians have preserved much more ."
How is it linguistically when a lanuage they speak is satem but illyrian is kentum?......and all the illyrian discoveries they can't translate it in their lanuage.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 7, 2008 18:14:34 GMT -5
"although linguistically the Albanians have preserved much more ." How is it linguistically when a lanuage they speak is satem but illyrian is kentum?......and all the illyrian discoveries they can't translate it in their lanuage. Few linguists still think that the division centum-satem is unequivocal, especially when dealing with dead languages, like the pre-Roman Balkan ones, about which very little is know. Similarly most historians and linguists consider Albanian to descend from one of these ancient Balkan languages. The proposal that the Albanians came to the Balkans (from the Caucasus or elsewhere) in the late Middle Ages has zero scientific credibility.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 7, 2008 18:45:23 GMT -5
Novi, with my little knowledge of albanian I could tell you that you are dead wrong.
Bardyllis (Illyrian King) has meaning in albanian
Bardh (white) Yll (star) = white star
Then the name itself, Illyria
I Liri = Free
Iliria = free land
It's pretty conclusive, Albanians = Illyrian tribe
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 7, 2008 21:19:30 GMT -5
"Few linguists still think that the division centum-satem is unequivocal, especially when dealing with dead languages, like the pre-Roman Balkan ones, about which very little is know."
Then there is no reason to believe that illyrians are todays modern albanians?
"Similarly most historians and linguists consider Albanian to descend from one of these ancient Balkan languages. The proposal that the Albanians came to the Balkans (from the Caucasus or elsewhere) in the late Middle Ages has zero scientific credibility."
Likewise the illyrian theory was created to halt the serbs from getting access to the Adriatic. The illyrian theory is a completely corrupt theory, the discovery of some illyrian scripts have been written on stone using the greek alphabet and they do not even remotely resemble the satem modern albanian.
I'm not sure about the caucasus theory because like the illyrian theory they both use some conincidential words to prove something.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 7, 2008 22:20:40 GMT -5
"Novi, with my little knowledge of albanian I could tell you that you are dead wrong.
Bardyllis (Illyrian King) has meaning in albanian
Bardh (white) Yll (star) = white star
Then the name itself, Illyria
I Liri = Free
Iliria = free land
It's pretty conclusive, Albanians = Illyrian tribe"
With just a couple of coincidences you feel they are direct decendants of illyrians, look below at some of the coincidences you see with balkan albania topymns and the topymns of caucasus:
"These are just a few, JUST A FEW - of the many identically named towns, cities and villages in Albania and the Caucasus and these examples offer stunning support for the Caucasian origins of the proto-Shiptars, the purest descendants of whom live in Toskia - where most of the Albanian toponyms originate. The Caucasus is littered with place names which can also be found in pure form and minor variation all across Albania. The sheer volume of these identical toponyms suggests that the relationship of Albanians to the Caucasus is not only not a coincidence - but very strong, indeed.
Republic of Albania The Caucasus Additional Notes Arnauti Arnauti Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran Bushati Bushati also the name of an Albanian tribe Baboti Baboti Baka Bako Ballagati Balagati Ballaj, Balli Bali Bashkimi Bashkoi Bathore Batharia Bater Bataris Geg Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R. Demir-Kapia Demir Kapia Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea Kish, Kisha... Kish Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish" Kurata, Kuratem, Kurateni (villages) Kura (river) Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura" Luginasi Lugini Rusani Rusian the relation of these two is up for debate Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani Shashani Sheshaj, Sheshi Sheshleti Skalla Skaleri Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, Shkepi Albanians call themselves this name in their language Shkoder Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Shkoder is a major lake in Albania Shekulli Shekouli Skuraj Skuria "
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 7, 2008 22:35:38 GMT -5
Novi, with my little knowledge of albanian I could tell you that you are dead wrong.
Bardyllis (Illyrian King) has meaning in albanian
Bardh (white) Yll (star) = white star
Then the name itself, Illyria
I Liri = Free
Iliria = free land
It's pretty conclusive, Albanians = Illyrian tribe
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 8, 2008 0:14:45 GMT -5
Now imagine if there was mentioned Serboi instead of Albanoi buy Ptolemy back then, imagine if there was once a king named Belizvezda, imagine if there was Slobodan instead of I Liri, imagine if there was Slobodna Zemlja instead of Free Land, imagine if the Serbian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, imagine if there was recorded the migration of albanians instead of serbs, just imagine if every coincidence Illyrian-Albanian connection was applyed to serbs instead of albanians! now serbs would been glorifying and claiming from Greece up to Austria.
Now a few questions to NoviPazar, what does Shqiptar and Shqiperia mean in serbian, can you translate to serbian?if you cant i will translate for you, and what does Shqiptar or Shqiperia mean in Caucasian languages?! Do you know in which period of time(history) Arbanasi=Albanians or as you like to call Siptars started to call their selfs as Shqiptar?
Im waiting answers to questions without no extras!.
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Post by fannoli on Feb 8, 2008 0:20:56 GMT -5
Likewise the illyrian theory was created to halt the serbs from getting access to the Adriatic And why should you have access to Adriatic. Is it some kidna of heavenly-given right for Serbs???
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Post by terroreign on Feb 8, 2008 0:43:02 GMT -5
Novi, that comparison is inconclusive and not very clear either, you have like 4 different names for one side
There isn't any coincidence here, an ancient Illyrian King named Bardyllis, and it perfectly fits into albanian, a language which is not related to any other language in the world, its too big of a coincidence to just brush that off novi.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 8, 2008 0:57:08 GMT -5
There isn't any coincidence here, an ancient Illyrian King named Bardyllis, and it perfectly fits into albanian, a language which is not related to any other language in the world, its too big of a coincidence to just brush that off novi. Terro even if there was solid proof,serbs would still deny,i mean how can Siptars be natives and Mi srbi nismo,pa to je nemoguce bre majku mu njima. LOL
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 8, 2008 8:41:17 GMT -5
Republic of Albania The Caucasus Additional Notes Arnauti Arnauti Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran Bushati Bushati also the name of an Albanian tribe Baboti Baboti Baka Bako Ballagati Balagati Ballaj, Balli Bali Bashkimi Bashkoi Bathore Batharia Bater Bataris Geg Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R. Demir-Kapia Demir Kapia Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea Kish, Kisha... Kish Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish" Kurata, Kuratem, Kurateni (villages) Kura (river) Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura" Luginasi Lugini Rusani Rusian the relation of these two is up for debate Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani Shashani Sheshaj, Sheshi Sheshleti Skalla Skaleri Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, Shkepi Albanians call themselves this name in their language Shkoder Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Shkoder is a major lake in Albania Shekulli Shekouli Skuraj Skuria " HAHAHAHHA No Coment...Novi is joke like hajduke even he use articles of Hajdukes that are torally funny (anyway who is hajduke? linguistic?)...ask hajduke do know he Latin, Albanian, Greek and Caucasus languages? 70% of those words are latin and turkish (likely religions) acroding of novi funniest all historians who study albanian people are non-real but trulely is our psycho of forum hajduke Joke Albanian language is only European language that have pretty little caucasian and iranian/persian influence...Slavic language has 30% caucuasus influence. this mean that Albanians never had contact with asians at less 5000 years while slavs lived among caucasus and iranians (like serbs lived in caucasia, iran and Siberia)
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 8, 2008 8:54:28 GMT -5
Now imagine if there was mentioned Serboi instead of Albanoi buy Ptolemy back then, imagine if there was once a king named Belizvezda, imagine if there was Slobodan instead of I Liri, imagine if there was Slobodna Zemlja instead of Free Land, imagine if the Serbian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, imagine if there was recorded the migration of albanians instead of serbs, just imagine if every coincidence Illyrian-Albanian connection was applyed to serbs instead of albanians! now serbs would been glorifying and claiming from Greece up to Austria. Now a few questions to NoviPazar, what does Shqiptar and Shqiperia mean in serbian, can you translate to serbian?if you cant i will translate for you, and what does Shqiptar or Shqiperia mean in Caucasian languages?! Do you know in which period of time(history) Arbanasi=Albanians or as you like to call Siptars started to call their selfs as Shqiptar? Im waiting answers to questions without no extras!. Lmao ;D even he does not that mean shqiptar, or Arben/Arbanasi (Arvaniti or Arnavut) (that are totally indo-european words) and claim are caucasus without fact muhahahha ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2008 20:06:29 GMT -5
"And why should you have access to Adriatic. Is it some kidna of heavenly-given right for Serbs???"
Austria Hungary was fearful of a serbian state having an outlet to the adriatic, hence the reason a buffer state like Albania was created in 1912.
You know what makes me laugh is that the Albanians didn't even know who the illyrians were a century or two ago.....lmao!.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2008 20:25:56 GMT -5
"Slavic language has 30% caucuasus influence."
The caucasus words in serbian are probably coincidences also.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 9, 2008 4:39:01 GMT -5
I wrote: Now imagine if there was mentioned Serboi instead of Albanoi buy Ptolemy back then, imagine if there was once a king named Belizvezda, imagine if there was Slobodan instead of I Liri, imagine if there was Slobodna Zemlja instead of Free Land, imagine if the Serbian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, imagine if there was recorded the migration of albanians instead of serbs, just imagine if every coincidence Illyrian-Albanian connection was applyed to serbs instead of albanians! now serbs would been glorifying and claiming from Greece up to Austria. Now a few questions to NoviPazar, what does Shqiptar and Shqiperia mean in serbian, can you translate to serbian?if you cant i will translate for you, and what does Shqiptar or Shqiperia mean in Caucasian languages?! Do you know in which period of time(history) Arbanasi=Albanians or as you like to call Siptars started to call their selfs as Shqiptar? Im waiting answers to questions without no extras!. So Novi? got anything to say?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2008 6:09:04 GMT -5
^ What do you want me to say that:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2008 6:52:18 GMT -5
"Novi - I think you're ridiculous"
Is this ridiculous:
J.J.WILKES:
"In the case of illyrian the problems appear to be multiplying: if, as some have argued, illyrians belongs not to the centum group but to the satem, the common etymology of Gentius and gens must be discarded. There is no evidence that illyrian in fact belongs to the satem group, but the argument that it does is crucial to the case that modern Albanian descended from illyrian."
Illyrian names by Geza Alfoldy:
"Annaeus/Annaius, Epicadus, Epidius, Pinnes, Plare, Tatta, Temeia, Zanatis, Ziraeus, Agirrus, Blodus, Boria, Glavus, Laedio, Laiscus, Madena, Posantio, Pravaius, Scerdis, Teuda, Zoruta, Bato, Dasius, Duzas, Ditus, Messor and Verzo"
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Post by Fender on Feb 9, 2008 7:01:45 GMT -5
Republic of Albania The Caucasus Additional Notes Arnauti Arnauti Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran Bushati Bushati also the name of an Albanian tribe Baboti Baboti Baka Bako Ballagati Balagati Ballaj, Balli Bali Bashkimi Bashkoi Bathore Batharia Bater Bataris Geg Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R. Demir-Kapia Demir Kapia Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea Kish, Kisha... Kish Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish" Kurata, Kuratem, Kurateni (villages) Kura (river) Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura" Luginasi Lugini Rusani Rusian the relation of these two is up for debate Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani Shashani Sheshaj, Sheshi Sheshleti Skalla Skaleri Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, Shkepi Albanians call themselves this name in their language Shkoder Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Shkoder is a major lake in Albania Shekulli Shekouli Skuraj Skuria " HAHAHAHHA No Coment...Novi is joke like hajduke even he use articles of Hajdukes that are torally funny (anyway who is hajduke? linguistic?)...ask hajduke do know he Latin, Albanian, Greek and Caucasus languages? 70% of those words are latin and turkish (likely religions) acroding of novi funniest all historians who study albanian people are non-real but trulely is our psycho of forum hajduke Joke Albanian language is only European language that have pretty little caucasian and iranian/persian influence...Slavic language has 30% caucuasus influence. this mean that Albanians never had contact with asians at less 5000 years while slavs lived among caucasus and iranians (like serbs lived in caucasia, iran and Siberia) You people make me laugh. Its plainly obvious that you and your lot haven't the slightest clue as to where you originated from. Your still following the Austrian version of events that Croatia eventually rejected because they realised that it wasn't true, and that the Croatian history was a hell a lot more richer in its character.
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