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Post by ljubotan on Sept 11, 2008 8:30:56 GMT -5
What are the main differences in mentality between Montenegrins and Serbians? I have regular interaction with Montenegrins, and I find (excuse me) that all are very arrogant and look down on all others. Is this a common trait of yours or am I misunderstanding it for pride? The conversations I've held with many gives me the impression Montenegrins are very revengful. I've noticed that Serbians attitudes is very much different.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 11, 2008 10:45:16 GMT -5
How are my Montenegrins and in what ways they might differ from Serbians in mentality or nature.
- Arrogant and we do look down on others. - Each village thinks they are are best. - Montenegrins are very revengful by nature. - Stubborn by nature. - Conservative by nature versus liberal. - Serious demeanor (often even when joking) - Often sarcastic and like mind games. - Dislike anything weak. - Women are very gossipy and dislike each other. - Males are aggressive by nature (especially when younger) - Clannish by nature (prefer 'locals' versus outsiders) - Prefer sounding pessimistic even when not needed. (especially elders) - Initially do not appear friendly. - Upfront by nature rather then sneaky.
Others can add to this
(I have found many of these traits to be shared by many Greeks also).
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Post by terroreign on Sept 11, 2008 13:20:14 GMT -5
That is so spot on. My baka basically says that Plav is the best "city" in the world and is constantly talking crap about my Deka's town (Berane).
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Post by srbobran on Sept 11, 2008 17:12:19 GMT -5
AAdmin, those are all qualities I notice in Serbs as well.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 11, 2008 18:00:55 GMT -5
How are my Montenegrins and in what ways they might differ from Serbians in mentality or nature. - Arrogant and we do look down on others. - Each village thinks they are are best. - Montenegrins are very revengful by nature. - Stubborn by nature. - Conservative by nature versus liberal. - Serious demeanor (often even when joking) - Often sarcastic and like mind games. - Dislike anything weak. - Women are very gossipy and dislike each other. - Males are aggressive by nature (especially when younger) - Clannish by nature (prefer 'locals' versus outsiders) - Prefer sounding pessimistic even when not needed. (especially elders) - Initially do not appear friendly. - Upfront by nature rather then sneaky. Others can add to this (I have found many of these traits to be shared by many Greeks also). What do you mean by 'nature?' It seems that you're implying this is something naturalistic.
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Post by ilirdardani on Sept 11, 2008 20:43:07 GMT -5
AAdmin, those are all qualities I notice in Serbs as well. I notice them in Albanians as well. Kind of strange right? We're all the same, yet we fight each other for no reason.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 11, 2008 21:39:38 GMT -5
lmao @ everyone realizing those are qualities of damn near EVERY BALKAN NATION
gotta love our gangsta mentality
BALKAN #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If any of you have read Guns, Germs and Steel, you'll realize geography and enviorment shapes people and mentalities more then antyhing else....and the Balkan has shaped us all.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 11, 2008 21:43:21 GMT -5
Indeed. As much as we like to argue that we are different, were basically all highly temperamental, self-loving, and just plain sexy.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 11, 2008 22:22:06 GMT -5
I have an input about this that you guys might find interesting. I'm working at the moment so I'll write about it a little bit later.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 11, 2008 23:19:04 GMT -5
These are broad traits in the balkans, but for the Montenegrins these are to the extreme
While Serbs are not really arrogant and basically if you say you're serb or russian they'll kiss your toes, while Montenegrins fight amongst themselves regardless of where they're from
Serbs are not so revengeful, for example the Kosovo issue, Montenegro would have attacked the day of
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Post by ljubomir on Sept 12, 2008 2:11:26 GMT -5
Montenegrins fight amongst themselves regardless of where they're from lol, that's true
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 12, 2008 4:52:29 GMT -5
"lmao @ everyone realizing those are qualities of damn near EVERY BALKAN NATION
gotta love our gangsta mentality
BALKAN #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
HAH I was thinking the same thing, like damn man, you just listed the traits of all Balkanci. good stuff
Baaalkaanee Baaalkaaaneee mooooj!!!! ;D
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 12, 2008 9:00:28 GMT -5
Most Serbs are descended from Montenegro or Herzegovina (Montenegrin twin sister) and if they exhibit these traits it is because of that. Authentic Vojvodina (or all of Pannonians) people do not have these traits. Yes, Montenegrins do have them more exaggerated. Nature means that it is of genetic value as I remember kids as young as possible exhibiting them.
Some additions
X - Montenegrins, each want to lead and none want to follow.
X - Situation, a villager is looking at his rich neighbors house. -Serbian: I hope I can make a bigger and better one then him. -Montenegrin: God, I hope a misfortune befalls on him.
X - Montenegrin mother to her young son " I better not see you cry again, go back there and kick his ass or are you a girl!!!" (*Compare a more extreme example of a Spartan mother telling her son in a war "Either on the shield or with the shield")
X - Montenegrins are very hard to get along (do to the fact that they have a free spirit) and have had very bloody civil wars (*again comparable to Greeks where Macedonians wipe out Thebes for example).
X - Montenegrins are by nature strict and merciless (in a war for example).
X - Montenegrins also have no tolerance for stupidity (viewed as a form of weakness).
X - Montenegrins go by ability to keep ones word as one of measures of honor (another being not promiscuous, especially for females) .
X - For Montenegrins honor of close female relatives is paramount.
X - Montenegrins are extremely picky as far as who their mate will be and family history (history of 'sickness') is taken into account. (* centuries of selective breeding as with Dorian Greek Spartans over 2000 years ago where weak was discarded)
X - Montenegrin males are expected to volunteer in a case of outside threat (war).
X - Montenegrin males were not considered fully men until the time they served military (which was seen as biggest event in the life outside of marriage).
X - Montenegrins are often armed to the teeth (men often carve out their peaces as if it jewelery)
X - Montenegrin weeding is accompanied with frequent shoots from various weapons into the air.
X - Montenegrin girls are also expected to be be strong, smart and aggressive (in fact in old times one of the traditions was that when it was time to get married you would go to the next village under the cover of darkness and ride a horse and kidnap your future wife who was supposed to resist you while her relatives are chasing you) for without such women no child will turn such (strong, smart and aggressive). (*Again compare to Spartan Queen replying to Persian Messenger that only in Sparta do women give birth to REAL MEN)
X - Montenegrins are not romantic (feminine trait BTW as you are showing how gentle you are by doing it) by nature but come from a ultra-macho society nor are the expected to be from their women (in fact they might be suspected of cheating if they ever would exhibit it). Also Montenegrin women (unless younger) are too mature and logical and read through the false shadow called romance.
X - Montenegrins are gifted as orators also older males like to philosophize in their daily conversation.
X - Montenegrins often talk what I call 'code' or uncomplete sentences that they expect the other party to understand without them being finished (assumption is that the other party has intellect to do so).
X - Montenegrin parent will always assume that their child is too good for whomever is the mate of that child (and that mate better not be very sensitive) .
X - Montenegrin female gains in 'value' in the eyes of community with age and after childbirth (desired child to have is always a boy).
X - With age Montenegrin women appear more aggressive while males mellow out in comparison (males as a rule avoid arguments with restless females as much as possible and a result hand out with other males as much as possible while females hang out with other females).
X - Montenegrin society is predatory in nature and anything 'sheepish' is not respected.
Montenegrin Romance ;D
* Montenegrins are very similar to earlier NW Greeks (so called Dorians as were Spartans, Epirots and Macedonians) in culture, mentality and race.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 12, 2008 15:15:58 GMT -5
I think it's the whole mountain man thing. So those traits are all found in abundance in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro and Albania. The super rocky terrain breeds a badass.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 12, 2008 17:21:07 GMT -5
Aadmin, I agree. Most Serbs are originally from Montenegro , most Vojvodians are from Vardarska and Kosovo (settled during the 16th and 17th centuries when the Turks entirely overran Serbia)/.
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Post by tyson on Sept 12, 2008 21:25:35 GMT -5
difference between montenegrins and serbians, is that the montenegrins who descend from the medieval duklja were originally catholic croats who lived within historic red croatia.
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Post by radovic on Sept 12, 2008 21:35:49 GMT -5
^ This idiotic debate again. Only Boka (which well under western Rome) and the coast (which fell under the Venetians) could have been Croat. The interior -- i.e. Montenegrin heartland -- was Orthodox.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 12, 2008 22:08:33 GMT -5
"- Arrogant and we do look down on others. - Each village thinks they are are best. - Montenegrins are very revengful by nature. - Stubborn by nature. - Conservative by nature versus liberal. - Serious demeanor (often even when joking) - Often sarcastic and like mind games. - Dislike anything weak. - Women are very gossipy and dislike each other. - Males are aggressive by nature (especially when younger) - Clannish by nature (prefer 'locals' versus outsiders) - Prefer sounding pessimistic even when not needed. (especially elders) - Initially do not appear friendly. - Upfront by nature rather then sneaky." Ship aadmin, you've described my mum well, she was a complete nut case growing up ........she drove me out of home at a young age, couldn't handle her crazyness. Makes sense aadmin since her ancestors came from crno gora and settled in kosovo.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 13, 2008 0:13:59 GMT -5
Most Croats (whose modern nationality, like Serbian one, is a creation of romantic nationalism of 19 century when nationality became more important then religious denomination) are also slavized locals and not any authentic sarmatian croats or slavs. There are steep cultural and racial differences between Pannonian Croats (who are actually mixed with Slavs such as zagorje and slavonia) and Coastal Croats (without any doubt slavized locals where Hercegovina, Konavle and Dalmatian Zagora are FAAR MORE culturally and racially akin to Eastern Hercegovians and Montenegrins then to Zagorje). Duklja (Dioklea) is a name derived from local Illyrian tribe period unassociated with Croats or Slavs for that matter and only records from it are in Greek (example is money found there with inscription in Greek "Petrou Archontos Dioklia AMIN" stating "Petro Ruler or Dioklia AMIN"). Centuries later in the same region there was a ruling house called Petrovic where part Petro is obviously derived from some earlier Greek sounding name (that in our time has taken a form of a name Petar). This subject on Montenegrins or Dioklea being Croatian is done here!--------- This is far more then just mountain thing as Tuzla people are clearly mixed with slavs (perhaps proximity to Pannonia) and are most liberal in Bosnia. ----------- " Only Boka (which well under western Rome) and the coast (which fell under the Venetians) could have been Croat. " I fail to see in what way either scenario connects Boka (which is a latin name for mouth) to Croats. In fact Ragusa (Dubrovnik) was never Croatian before 20th century much less Boka. It is lunacy to assume that catholic means croatian who are only but followers of that italic religious order. This subject on Boka being Croatian is done here!
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 13, 2008 2:03:17 GMT -5
Emperor Admin, everything you have written is spot on!!!! Some good ones there.
What else? I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Montenegrin work ethic yet. Montenegrins are also regarded as being very lazy, & just in the way you have Irish/Bosnian jokes that emphasize their odd way of thinking (stupidity) you also have an entire branch of jokes about how Montenegrins are lazy. Having been there myself & being related to Montenegrins, what I particularly notice different to Serbs is their seriousness. They are more conservative tvrdoglavi, whilst Serbs are more liberal & jovial. Their self importance can become extremely annoying. Everything is massively exaggerated. For instance they'll tell you how they went to the best school & that now that school is only reserved for the best students. Things never add up. Like there would have to only be exclusive schools Montenegro. You have to either just ignore them or what’s more fun is to challenge them till they go red.
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