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Post by terroreign on Jul 15, 2009 23:47:05 GMT -5
The point you're not getting is that 'Albania' is not your name, it's Shqiperia or Shqiperi. And when people in the area called it "Albania" they most likely weren't speaking "Shqip". This is what I'd like to touch upon. Am i not called Albanian? It says that on my Canadian passport. Shqiperi is only used by locals. Your question has been answered to death. We started to call ourselves Shqiptar very lately 17th century. The continuity is there. Foreigners still call us by the name we had during the middle ages. Shqiptar is not a new ethnicity, it is a term solely used by locals for locals. Albanian is a foreign name, this is because of the fact it knows no meaning in Albanian. Which makes sense that the Albanian people started calling themselves Shqiptari, a word with meaning, that would evoke emotion amongst the people.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 15, 2009 23:50:36 GMT -5
Arba, Albanopolis, Arbanon
It does have meaning, just not in your language
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Post by insomniac on Jul 15, 2009 23:51:52 GMT -5
Am i not called Albanian? It says that on my Canadian passport. Shqiperi is only used by locals. Your question has been answered to death. We started to call ourselves Shqiptar very lately 17th century. The continuity is there. Foreigners still call us by the name we had during the middle ages. Shqiptar is not a new ethnicity, it is a term solely used by locals for locals. Albanian is a foreign name, this is because of the fact it knows no meaning in Albanian. Which makes sense that the Albanian people started calling themselves Shqiptari, a word with meaning, that would evoke emotion amongst the people. There is no evidence to support this. There is a full amount of evidence to support otherwise.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 15, 2009 23:55:19 GMT -5
Arba, Albanopolis, Arbanon It does have meaning, just not in your language That is irrelevant. If your point is the same as highduke. Claiming that Shqiptars are different from Arberesh. You have failed on historical accounts. Historical evidence have mentioned us as Arbanasi. Not only that but even local documents by Albanians mentioning ourselves that name. That is also a failure on realistic side as well. May i remind you there are still Albanians today who call themselves Arberesh. And who can trace their origins up to the middle ages. Otherwise you seem to be going on an irrelevant point just for the sake of arguying.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 15, 2009 23:57:57 GMT -5
Why don't you convince me, that the Arberians spoke Shqip, or that they are the same Albanians as Skenderbeg's time?
Why do even the low-cultured slavs have writings and examples of their language in the balkans in the early middle ages, yet nothing in Albanian?
Even vlachs have writings during that time and they were shepherd nomads
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Post by insomniac on Jul 16, 2009 0:00:40 GMT -5
I have shown you documents and historical evidence. If that is not enough. Book a plane ticket to Southern Italy. Visit some "Arberian" villages and see what language the descendants of medieval Albanians speak.
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Post by leshte on Jul 16, 2009 0:00:04 GMT -5
Arber has meaning in our language which is not the same meaning as in other languages it might have a meaning; and if you spoke Albanian you would know that Arber and Arban is the same thing in two different dialects. Ilir (Illyrian in English) has meaning in our language also.
P.S If Albanians came with the Turks then who was fighting the Turks under Scanderbeg (the Albanian, the Arber).
P.P.S Why then there is written record of such arrival. The romans didn't write about it, the Greeks didn't write it. Newsflash, there was no arrival. In fact this is all propaganda from the Serb Academy of Sciences with origins in Nacertanije and later on when Albania was fighting for independence. Albania and Albanians needed to be made a foreign peoples in the balkans so that lands inhabited by them could be grabed. No difference with the Greek Megali Idea. Same $hit.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 16, 2009 0:03:41 GMT -5
Haha now he is contesting the Arbereshi, saying they did not come there from Albania during the middle ages and do not speak "Sqip". Even though this fact is as clear as oil is in water. Not only that but he is going against Venetian and Italian records now. Maybe you have a better explaination?
Anyways... your question has been answer. I will move this topic to history forum after.
Just saving the flame war in the future.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 16, 2009 0:09:37 GMT -5
Enough you are trolling now. Keep your theories on Cafe Montenegro.
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