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Post by Bozur on Aug 18, 2009 17:02:36 GMT -5
Official says Serb minority in Albania, Montenegro and Slovenia faces many problems
ZAGREB/BELGRADE, Aug 17. (Hina). A state secretary in the Serbian ministry for expatriates' affairs has said ethnic Serbs were faced with many problems in southeastern European countries, notably in Albania, Montenegro and Slovenia.
State Secretary Miodrag Jaksic said in a statement published by Tanjug news agency on Sunday that the Serb community in Albania was the most endangered minority in Europe.
"Serbs in Albania cannot use their mother tongue and exercise their religious rites and ceremonies. A majority of local Serbs were forced to change their names during the rule of Enver Hoxha ," the Serbian official said in the statement.
According to Jaksic, currently the most painful situation is in Montenegro where 35 percent of the total population have declared themselves Serbs but Montenegro denies them "minimum constitutional and statutory rights in the fields of culture, education, religion and information".
"Serbs in Hungary are one of the 13 recognised national minorities, but they have been waiting 17 years for the adoption of legislation and their right to have their representative in the Hungarian parliament," Jaksic said.
He described the situation in Slovenia as more complex, given that Serbs were not yet given a status of national minority although there were 50,000 Serbs in that country.
According to Jaksic, Serbs in Croatia encounter problems such as denial of their tenancy rights which is why they cannot get back their property, overdue pensions and problems arising from the non-enforcement of laws on the ethnic minorities' rights.
Jaksic pointed out Romania and Macedonia as positive examples for treatment of the Serb minority. bsanna-news.ukrinform.ua/newsitem.php?id=10092&lang=en
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 18, 2009 19:22:09 GMT -5
Serbs dont even have a right to live in Albania after what they did in 1912. Albania has been kind to them in comparison to what Albanian suffered in Kosova, Presheva and the rest of Yugoslavia. And many Albanian names were Slavincized in Montenegro as well... so Serbs shouldnt be throwing stones.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 18, 2009 20:28:00 GMT -5
You can blame ethnic Montenegrins for slavicising Albanian names. Not Serbs. Serbs haven't made you change your names as you have done to us. Major difference in treatment there.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 18, 2009 20:55:33 GMT -5
The Serbs of Albania are 'ethnic' Montenegrins. They are almost entirely based in the village of Vraka. Which is Montenegrin.
Also, I dont consider a difference between you two people. The crimes of one are part of the crimes of another.
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Post by shejtani on Aug 19, 2009 1:42:02 GMT -5
are we going to make laws for a minority based in maybe two villages ??
ps: Serbs in Slovenia are immigrants who went there during Tito's regime, they are absolutely not a minority !
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Post by donnie on Aug 19, 2009 6:40:56 GMT -5
Serbs have done it in Kosova. Albanian names were perpetually changed or altered to make them appear more Slavic, either by adding an -ic or -vic at the end, such as Hotic from Hoti or Berisic from Berisha, or completely translated, like Kryeziu (meaning 'black head') which became Crnoglavic. Tito eventually stopped this trend. -----------
This is indeed laughable. And what is this community, like 1,000 people or what? They have indeed no right to claim anything after how they've treated our bretheren in Montenegro, not to mention that Serbs/Montenegrins from Vraka perpetrated crimes in Kosova during this last war. "Most endangered minority in Europe", get the fvck out of here.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 19, 2009 7:34:33 GMT -5
Well please tell me more about Albanians supposedly changing names in Serbia? In current times I am aware of this happening only in Montenegro. I became aware of this initially when I found out that a soccer player called Mehmet Durakovic who played for Australia was actually an Albanian from Montenegro. Though I don't see what the benefit of having a Muslim slavic name would be. I've never heard the names Hotic or Berisic before. Serbia has many different ethnicities none of which I've heard have had to change their names. All present Hungarians, Albanians, Slovaks etc have their own ethnic names. Please show me some evidence of this. It seems like more of a procedure on the Albanian side going by the amount of slavs that have been there. The Gorani & Serbs no longer have slavic names and the slav Macedonians I've also noticed have Albanian names.
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Post by donnie on Aug 19, 2009 8:21:01 GMT -5
The policy of changing of names in Kosova occured during the inter-war period and was only halted by Tito (otherwise it would probably have continued). My sources are in the Albanian language by Albanian authors, but I think there's also a Serbian translation by Krasniqi called Savremene promene out there.
This phenomenon occured with Albanians in Macedonia as well, where instead of -vic they added -ovski instead. Why didn't Serbs do the same to others? Maybe they didn't feel as threatened by them. They did feel threatened by the Albanians, hence the "Arnautash" thesis was developed, implying that we Albanians are really assimilated Slavs, and on this basis, we were denied education in Albanian in the pre-WWII Yugoslavia and weren't considered a minority officially.
And as Kapikulu pointed out earlier, the villagers of Vraka are 'ethnic' Montenegrins, originally from Montenegro which they left fleeing a blood-feud in the 18th century. If we're in a process of opressing and forcefully converting them, it's just a retribution to Montenegrin policies against our 40-50,000 strong minority in Montenegro which has a far more bloody history.
PS Judging by your reasoning, one might suspect you're coming to terms with the Montenegrin "ethnicity" as smth separate from the Serbian one?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 19, 2009 8:37:09 GMT -5
^ Oh so in other words you don't have any evidence at all. Your examples of Hotic & Berisic are ridiculous since they are obviously not Serbian names and would draw suspicion anyway. If anything Berisic sounds Croat & Hotic Muslim.
And yes I do struggle to come to terms with Montenegrin ethnicity lol. I, like plenty of Serbs can trace my heritage to Montenegro in the not too distant past. I've been to Montenegro. I also have first cousins who consider themselves ethnic Montenegrins whom I laugh at in their face. I consider Black Mountaineer ethnicity predominantly a product of communist Jugoslavia and statehood. Most ethnic Montenegrins are old school communists. Overwhealmingly the Montenegrin diaspora not indoctrinated in their insular system consider themselves Serbian which is why they were not allowed to vote by the Djukanistan regime.
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Post by donnie on Aug 19, 2009 10:16:31 GMT -5
Of course, Serbian claims and theories are ridiculous. The Arnautash thesis went so far as to claim all northerners as 'really Slavs' who due to pressure had switched religion and language during the Ottoman period.
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Post by Username on Aug 19, 2009 13:46:38 GMT -5
I completely agree about the Montenegrin ethnicity views... Montenegrins = Serbs.
I wouldn't really have an issue with them developing their own identity and ethnicity, but I think the major force behind it is the backlash against Serbs after the wars... they wanted to separate themselves from it, even though they were just as guilty.
As far as Serbs from Slovenia go.. haven't most of them been there for generations? And aren't Slovenian names identical or really similar to Serbian? I would think they'd be fine in Slovenia...
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 19, 2009 16:00:56 GMT -5
user,
donnie is just talking sh*t.
I completely agree about the Montenegrin ethnicity views... Montenegrins = Serbs.
I wouldn't really have an issue with them developing their own identity and ethnicity, but I think the major force behind it is the backlash against Serbs after the wars... they wanted to separate themselves from it, even though they were just as guilty.
^100% right
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Post by terroreign on Sept 2, 2009 18:30:37 GMT -5
The Serbs of Albania are 'ethnic' Montenegrins. They are almost entirely based in the village of Vraka. Which is Montenegrin. Not true, a good portion of the Vraka slavs are descendents of serb refugees from Kosovo and south serbia, additionally there is a Serb minority in north eastern albania near the Kosovo border. The largest amount of ethnic Montenegrins in Albania are located in Shkoder. Good, that just proves your ignorance to the whole topic. Way to blow up the numbers... But your theory fails because more people registered as Montenegrins ethnically before the wars. Laughable. The Serb minority in CG is one of the best treated minority groups in the country, the minority group with the most seats in parliament and it's own daily newspaper as well as tv channels, not to mention the governments protection of the Serbian church.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 2, 2009 22:29:55 GMT -5
Old Shkoder, that is, before the Hoxha era, never had Serb-Montengrins in it. They came during the Communist era mostly FROM Vraka.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 3, 2009 19:35:58 GMT -5
^Except in the 7th century onwards when it was the capital of Dioclea.
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Post by L0gjICK on Sept 4, 2009 8:14:00 GMT -5
This phenomenon occured with Albanians in Macedonia as well, where instead of - vic they added - ovski instead. Why didn't Serbs do the same to others? Maybe they didn't feel as threatened by them. They did feel threatened by the Albanians, hence the "Arnautash" thesis was developed, implying that we Albanians are really assimilated Slavs, and on this basis, we were denied education in Albanian in the pre-WWII Yugoslavia and weren't considered a minority officially. 100% correct. "Ski" and "Ovski" were added to many Albanian last names in attempts to assimilate the population in Macedonia. Even the names of newborns were changed so they could be read in Macedonian (i.e. Valdrin -> Valjdrin, Valdet -> Valjdet, Vlora -> Vljora.) As for your proof, I could post OF phone listings of Albanians who left Yugoslavia around the 70's that have yet not changed the Slavic suffix. But I'm happy to say many of us have changed our names back to the original roots.
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Post by donnie on Sept 4, 2009 9:39:01 GMT -5
^Except in the 7th century onwards when it was the capital of Dioclea. You're suggesting uninterrupted continuity since the 7th century? The Serbs/Montenegrins/whatever of Vraka came in the 18th century, fugitives of a blood feud in Montenegro. Some of these later settled in Shkoder ... but overall they're quite few. Oh, and then there's also a number of Muslim Slav families from Podgorica who fled in the 1870s to escape Montenegrin opression. But they hardly see themselves as 'Serbs' ... and they too are very few in numbers. Whatever medieval 'Serb' settlements existed in Shkoder and its vicinity, they got lost along the way a long time before the Serb fugitives settled Vrake.
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Post by donnie on Sept 4, 2009 9:42:13 GMT -5
This phenomenon occured with Albanians in Macedonia as well, where instead of - vic they added - ovski instead. Why didn't Serbs do the same to others? Maybe they didn't feel as threatened by them. They did feel threatened by the Albanians, hence the "Arnautash" thesis was developed, implying that we Albanians are really assimilated Slavs, and on this basis, we were denied education in Albanian in the pre-WWII Yugoslavia and weren't considered a minority officially. 100% correct. "Ski" and "Ovski" were added to many Albanian last names in attempts to assimilate the population in Macedonia. Even the names of newborns were changed so they could be read in Macedonian (i.e. Valdrin -> Valjdrin, Valdet -> Valjdet, Vlora -> Vljora.) As for your proof, I could post OF phone listings of Albanians who left Yugoslavia around the 70's that have yet not changed the Slavic suffix. But I'm happy to say many of us have changed our names back to the original roots. Exactly; in Macedonia it was -ovski, in Kosova it was -ic. The surname Kukaj was changed to Kukic (or Kukiqi) for instance, and still many people go by this surname. Conclusively, this "protest" and stance is laughable and a grand example of Serb hypocrisy.
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Post by shejtani on Sept 4, 2009 11:32:28 GMT -5
"Umrete Siptari" ... at the Manastir's pazar Attachments:
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Post by rex362 on Sept 4, 2009 13:55:18 GMT -5
he who has printing press makes history
who has time to write when your running or fighting
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