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Post by shkodrani on Sept 16, 2009 16:12:32 GMT -5
Muslim Slavs. And I am going by info that is a few years old. I know that after the Kosovo War most long left the area. Most Slavic Muslims left for Montenegro and abroad, while orthodox Slavs left for Montenegro and Serbia, then transferred to Kosovo then kicked out and then finally Serbia. Yes, and Muslim slavs in Skadar see themselves as Montenegrins ethnically. Neither I nor you know how many of them left the area, but we both know that many stayed which is the point. Watch this : hahahaha Bërhan Çuliqi the number 1 shkije spy in Shkodra too bad he didn't teach his children serbian. I know the guy he does it because he gets money from the Montes and some exclusivities from Monte companies.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 16, 2009 22:30:39 GMT -5
Yes, and Muslim slavs in Skadar see themselves as Montenegrins ethnically. Neither I nor you know how many of them left the area, but we both know that many stayed which is the point. Watch this : hahahaha Bërhan Çuliqi the number 1 shkije spy in Shkodra too bad he didn't teach his children serbian. I know the guy he does it because he gets money from the Montes and some exclusivities from Monte companies. I know him too, he told me he still owes you 15 euros for cleaning his toilet. ;D I see you're nervous, you're showing how unconvinced you are that Shkoder is a completely Albanian city through your radical hostility. ;D
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Post by insomniac on Sept 17, 2009 4:04:05 GMT -5
Anything for money nowadays. Montenigers have to try harder. Greeks have been bribing people for decades now. And they have more dough. ;D
After what Slavs did to Albanians in Kosovo. It's a shame these people are not publicly hanged in the town square as a form of revenge.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 17, 2009 5:22:19 GMT -5
^Are you trying to suggest Burhan Culic is not Montenegrin? He just magically put an -ic at the end of his name and learned a slavic language so he can get funds? You're crossing the line from ridiculous to completely retarded.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 17, 2009 10:24:10 GMT -5
No, Burhan is a single individual. One of the dying Podgoricans of Shkoder, whom the locals hate because they sided with Montenegro and Serbia during the 90s. As a result most dont live in the city.
Most Muslims of Shkoder, the Muslim ones, do not care much for Montenegro. The Podgoricans are mostly gone. The Torbeshi, or those of Bosnian descent, do not speak much Slavic today are are assimilated.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 17, 2009 16:33:54 GMT -5
^Wow you are speaking out of your A** so clearly, it's not funny.
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Post by shkodrani on Sept 17, 2009 17:54:53 GMT -5
Toskali is right, the Podgriqans are all assimilated the only ones that can speak slavic are 50 years old and older. As I told you Bërhan's children can't speak serbian. And you'll have lots of trouble finding someone in Shkodër who can speak serbian. Some families even shun their slavic heritage (I'de prefer not to give names), they say when Montenegro kicked us out Shkodra took us in.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 17, 2009 17:59:02 GMT -5
It would be nice for them not to shun their heritage, that way when we open the next concentration camp we can more easily identity the Slavic rat. Maybe a tattoo of a rat or a snake on the forehead would be good. We should be the ones who bring back the 'Serb cutter' ;D
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Post by terroreign on Sept 17, 2009 18:59:53 GMT -5
It would be nice for them not to shun their heritage, that way when we open the next concentration camp we can more easily identity the Slavic rat. Maybe a tattoo of a rat or a snake on the forehead would be good. We should be the ones who bring back the 'Serb cutter' ;D Ok melty, we all know you're a genocidal maniac, you don't have to rub it in our faces ;D That is contradictory. Anyways Alba-Montenegro has over 100 members so that says enough. I know. They speak Montenegrin ;D ;D
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Post by radovic on Sept 17, 2009 19:10:29 GMT -5
No, Burhan is a single individual. One of the dying Podgoricans of Shkoder, whom the locals hate because they sided with Montenegro and Serbia during the 90s. As a result most dont live in the city. Most Muslims of Shkoder, the Muslim ones, do not care much for Montenegro. The Podgoricans are mostly gone. The Torbeshi, or those of Bosnian descent, do not speak much Slavic today are are assimilated. A Torbeshi isn't someone of Bosnian descent. A Torbesh is of FYROM descent. Anyways. Bonsiak descendant Slavs tends to live in the area around Durres, not Skadar.
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Post by Shype on Sept 17, 2009 19:26:44 GMT -5
im not from shkoder, but from the nearby mountains and familiar with the area. id put the percentage of montenegrans in the city at 5% (and thats being generous). shkodra was conquered by slavs during medieval period and made it their capital, the inhabatants were albanian though. that doesnt mean shkodra is montenegrin lol. if thats the case, i guess serbia is turk land too since they were conquered by the ottomans.
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Post by radovic on Sept 17, 2009 19:28:26 GMT -5
im not from shkoder, but from the nearby mountains and familiar with the area. id put the percentage of montenegrans in the city at 5% (and thats being generous). shkodra was conquered by slavs during medieval period and made it their capital, the inhabatants were albanian though. that doesnt mean shkodra is montenegrin lol. if thats the case, i guess serbia is turk land too since they were conquered by the ottomans. According to the Center for Strategic International Studies the number groups linked to the Montenegrins in Albania claimed 2,500 in the early 90s. Figures of 10,000 - 40,000 are gorssly exagerrated.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 17, 2009 19:31:50 GMT -5
Bosnian descended Albanians in Shkoder came into the city fleeing bloodfeuds in the Herzeg area in the 19th century.
The ones in Durres came as refugees fleeing Austrian controlled Bosnia.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 17, 2009 19:36:37 GMT -5
That is contradictory. Anyways Alba-Montenegro has over 100 members so that says enough. Oh wow, a whole 100 people? That's less than my class im attending tomorrow. ;D
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Post by radovic on Sept 17, 2009 19:48:54 GMT -5
That is contradictory. Anyways Alba-Montenegro has over 100 members so that says enough. Oh wow, a whole 100 people? That's less than my class im attending tomorrow. ;D It's also around 11 times less then the number of Serbs/Montenegrins from the area that left in the 90s to settle in Kosovo as settlers. Just so Terroreign doesn't claim this is propaganda, it is from Vreme -- the most anti-nationalist, anti-regime and independent media in Serbia during the 90s.www.scc.rutgers.edu/serbian_digest/128/t128-2.htmExactly three years ago, in March 1991, 180 families consisting of 1027 persons fled from Vraka in Albania to the territory of the present Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
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Post by Shype on Sept 17, 2009 19:49:29 GMT -5
im not from shkoder, but from the nearby mountains and familiar with the area. id put the percentage of montenegrans in the city at 5% (and thats being generous). shkodra was conquered by slavs during medieval period and made it their capital, the inhabatants were albanian though. that doesnt mean shkodra is montenegrin lol. if thats the case, i guess serbia is turk land too since they were conquered by the ottomans. According to the Center for Strategic International Studies the number groups linked to the Montenegrins in Albania claimed 2,500 in the early 90s. Figures of 10,000 - 40,000 are gorssly exagerrated. yes, i agree. up to 3 or 4k is realistic. 10 thousand + is simply innacurate. question to anyone who might know, these montenegrins from shkoder/vraka i've heard speak a different dialect from those in montenegro. they claim its an older, more 'purer' dialect. is this true ? i was speaking to a girl from montenegro in a chatroom, she is a journalist who visited vraka and interviewed residents there. she told me she had a hard time even understanding them. or maybe they just forgot their language and dont speak it well ?
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Post by donnie on Sept 17, 2009 19:55:13 GMT -5
The Vrakcors came in the 18th century to Vraka, isolated from contact with other Slavs. Supposedly, the Serbian speech of Montenegro those days differed atleast slightly from the modern Serbian speech in MN. If this is true, which it probably is, the Vrakcors would've preserved some archaisms in the Serbian speech lost in Montenegro, much like the Arvanites who say "klaj" instead of "qaj" in standard Albanian or "kjaj" in the northern dialect.
Or, it could be that their dialect has been bastardized. I'm just speculating.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 17, 2009 21:11:50 GMT -5
Kapikulu Turkali, the Serb cutter wont work. You will need to create a Docleao-Illyrian-Montenegrin-cutter for the ethnic Montenegrins.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 17, 2009 22:23:45 GMT -5
Bosnian descended Albanians in Shkoder came into the city fleeing bloodfeuds in the Herzeg area in the 19th century. The ones in Durres came as refugees fleeing Austrian controlled Bosnia. Why are you so in love with Bosniaks melty? Is it because your are half Bosnian yourself? Hah, obviously you know that not all Montenegrins in Skadar are a part of the organization nor care about nationalities and just want to get on with their daily lives. And I'm pleased that you go to school, it's a step in the right direction. ;D What 'Serbian speech' do you speak of? Donnie, you do not have a gram of knowledge in your brain about the intricacies of the South Slavic languages so don't try. The fact that Montenegrin was different grammatically and vocabulary-wise 100 years ago is true, a major difference being that the language had less noun cases.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 18, 2009 11:03:11 GMT -5
Kapikulu Turkali, the Serb cutter wont work. You will need to create a Docleao-Illyrian-Montenegrin-cutter for the ethnic Montenegrins. ---edit----
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