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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 11:01:54 GMT -5
The most pompous statement I have ever read. LOL! Compared to western Europe, you have no culture and it shows in your chest beating. Until, or unless, Turkey(or Albania, admittedly) enters the EU, you are the Turks of Europe.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 12:50:10 GMT -5
Actually, 2 million. A rather large size for its time. The overall growth since then was about 4x, hence 6 million or so Albs today.
Here is an interesting anecdote to educate you: Koumas, an enlightened Greek who just returned to his country after having lived in the west all of his life entered the cave of a Klepht by the name of Nikotsaras. In order to show his respect for the him, Koumas called the Klepht "Achilles". The klepht responded by saying "Whats this rubbish? Who is this Achilles? Is it good with a rifle?"
Your living in the literature of 3000 years ago, hopelessly trying to identify with it. No, you did not retain the "culture", just the language. It took the interference of western Europe and its Romanticists to "revive" these names and history. Had it not been for them, you wouldnt know who Themistocles or Pericles ever were. Another problem is that you read so much of herodotus and co. that you have no clue as to what happened 1000 years ago, let alone the last 500. I've seen Greek dances, mannerisms and general habits. You guys are about as European as tarator, or byrek.
Dont get ahead of yourself little boy, you still need the advice of this Albanian whenever you look for books...
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Post by X on Nov 5, 2007 13:14:46 GMT -5
Klephts were identical to ancient Greek warriors in terms of overal war effectiveness as well as both military 'units' had lack of classical education. Warriors fight, don't talk.
The educated don't fight, but talk too much.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 13:27:21 GMT -5
The classical greek warrior was not an independent bandit living in caves and mountains. Klephts are representative of the general society that gave birth to them; actually, they are the extreme of it. I doubt "Achilles" meant anything to atleast 70-80% of Greece. Perhaps the educated men of Phanar, who had entered western universities, knew of him.
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Post by X on Nov 5, 2007 13:33:54 GMT -5
Says who, "Toskaliku"? Hilarious.
Unless you come back with a better explanation on your thoughts, continue to amuse me.
Spartans, behaved worse than bandits during their "elementary" education.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 13:38:49 GMT -5
The ideal "Greek warrior" was the hoplite, a soldiers who fought as part of a greater unit. Like I said, this isnt a mountain bandit. Nevermind what was done. War is war. Bad behavior is part of it. Its the characteristics that differentiate.
Klephts are more like Dalmatian bandits, or Kurds.
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Post by X on Nov 5, 2007 13:45:09 GMT -5
Since Dorian colonisation, many Greek types of warriors appeared. The Hoplite was an military evolution of very latter centuries.
It's the same. Today's Greek warrior, is an evolution of the klepht. Today's warrior is more effective, but we're talking about two different types of warfare in both situations.
"more like" who?
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 13:48:35 GMT -5
Nice way to generalize. I meant proto-type, the ideal. Those "Greek warriors" you speak of wouldnt have been regarded as such in the classical sense.
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Post by X on Nov 5, 2007 13:51:11 GMT -5
"Proto-type"
It's generally known 600-300 bc warriors had Trojan War warriors as their proto-type (1000 BC)
What is the proto-type: the chicken or the egg?
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 13:58:03 GMT -5
What they considered is irrelevant. And proto-type was the wrong word to use. The "idealized" is more like it. And to claim continuity with the hoplites is ludicrous. Hopelite "Greek warrior" culture ended with the rise of Rome, when Greeks and Greece were demilitarized.
And in terms of style, the two differed also. The Klepht was non-confrontational. He hid in the mountains, avoiding a main army. More like a traditional Germanic barbarian, whereas the Hoplite was a moving tank when in a unit and never intended to fight individually.
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Post by leandros nikon on Nov 5, 2007 15:34:09 GMT -5
we have no culture,boy? ;D
perhaps u mean that we have a different kind of culture...
zorba the greek caused an earthquake to the west a few decades ago...
and i thought that our culture attracts many tourists each year...
anyway, compared to south europe countries?
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2007 19:28:14 GMT -5
Russian movies do that every other year, nevermind German films.
beauty of the land is a culture? Since when? Most of the visitors flock to see the inheritance.
The way I see it, had it not been for the EU and Greece's inheritance, your country would be in a state thats not very different from the rest of the Balkans or EE.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 5, 2007 19:41:18 GMT -5
I can't argue with the above quote... when you're right you're right...
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Post by ahristos on Nov 7, 2007 13:53:07 GMT -5
ore why Albania dont accepts refugies? the commers are muslems we can send them to albania fresh curan peoples 4 you
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 8, 2007 17:02:13 GMT -5
The only refugees Albania should ever accept are Albs from regions we neighbor. If I ever see a refugee boat of Africans and, I would hope that my country aims its gun at them until they turn and head back for their country. Their wars are none of our business; neither their people.
My country is too small to be one filled with Asian and African immigrants. Albania is for Albanians and Albanians only...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 8, 2007 21:58:46 GMT -5
Who says Im chest beating? Do you see me making claims like "Africans and Asians are inferior to Albanians"? No, Im stating that I dont want foreign cultures and, to an extent, races in my country. Albania is a small place, it annoys me when I think about that country becoming like what many EU countries have become today. The fact that its perceived as a "Muslim country" by many makes it especially vulnerable in the future since most of the immigrants are Muslims and therefore could easily be attracted to what they would think is a more "homely" environment.
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Post by ahristos on Nov 9, 2007 14:21:42 GMT -5
whay albania dont accepts muslems refugies? you can help those afghans pakistanies i raqies iranians all for you albanistan take ur muslems brothers
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