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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 23, 2009 17:14:45 GMT -5
I'm being consistent using your logic. If you feel you are different than "kaurs". Why do you get offended when they feel different from you? It doesn't add up. Why do you think I am uncomfortable? Serbs never had problems with orthodox Albanians. They only had problems with the Ottoman remnants(bosniaks and muslim Albanians). Do you see where logic and consistency take us now? You of all people should be okay with all this. Because that's what you have been preaching in these forums. I dont really give a chit. Thats your issue to come to terms with. If you wish to see yourself as somehow culturally linked with Serbs or Greeks, by all means, you wouldnt be the first kaur in Albania to think so. However, your not a true kaur are you? I mean, I doubt you feel comfortable with this. It would seriously diconnect you from the Albanian ethnos. Like I have said in the past, Albanian Muslims do not feel like they are compromising their identity by defining with other Balkan Muslims or Turks. Most of them support us and share common enemies. So it wouldnt go against Albanianism for an Alb to call a Turk a brother, Turkey has recognized Kosovo and has close relations with us. However, Orthodox Albanians do compromise their identity if they do the same because those they are religiously akin to are considered by majority of Albanians (and a recent Tirana University poll showed the average Albanian youth does consider Greece to be a hostile country or just unfriendly) to be hostile. So, you guys have therefore created these complexes. For instance Turkey is a strategic close ally, not because of religion, but because of mutual assistance and good stable relations. Its a mechanism by which you can link to the majority thought when you dont quite understand it and feel detached from it. You rationalized what is largely a cultural-religious kinship at its core. I think on the whole it has worked. Most of the Orthodox Albanians in my family, whether distant relations or on my mother's side are pretty actively pro-Turkey and rather anti-Greece/Serbia in feeling. Less so than Muslim Albs, but still very much so, especially considering how other Balkan kaurs think of these nations. |
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Post by Duke John on Sept 23, 2009 17:32:53 GMT -5
Hello guys, im back from two and a half month vacation from Kosova, thread is interesting but why i want to comment here is because some of the albanians here do not reflect the reality, yes we are a muslim nation and yes we did celebrate ramazan and bajram and yes we make our children synet, and yes turkey is our very friendly country and helping us alot in Kosova, and from the all empires we the albanians had the best living standards and freedom during ottoman empire era, you should travel more often to albanian lands and stop creating your nonreal albanian world, im illyric im albanian and im muslim, call me ottoman turkalbanian, i just have to say that yes i am and im proud of it!. have a nice day!  |
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Post by jonleka on Sept 23, 2009 17:50:43 GMT -5
Fuck all albanians that feel closer to serb or greeks. Thats why we became muslims so we dont mix with that shit and no were not muslims its just a trick.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 23, 2009 18:07:55 GMT -5
You became Muslim.... because you wanted to steal your neighbors land..period.... Now you waking up from that nightmare... and the result is the poorest most backward nation in Europe..... It wasn't communism that did that ..it was cutting off the tip of your dicks that accomplished it. I just feel sorry for your Catholic and Orthodox populations that had to endure all this crap next to you.....
What were the Serbs gonna do if Kosova was Orthodox...?
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Post by Duke John on Sept 23, 2009 18:24:44 GMT -5
Kanaris stick your finger to your orthodox pirests ass andthen smell your finger, you will know the smell of your religion!.  we dident became muslim, our forefathers just changed their religion to a better one, and we now were born muslims. |
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Post by insomniac on Sept 23, 2009 18:25:28 GMT -5
What many muslim do is complain and whine about human rights. Instead of being productive members in society. That just ticks me off. Just look at the Middle East as an example.
They scare orthodox Albanians and even Catholics by saying. If it wasn't for Islam, orthodox Albanians would assimilate into Greek. And Catholics would just be Italian or turn to Vatican.
That's nonsense because if anything that would've happened already.
Yes we have endured a lot of this kind of crap. It's very sad we have to share the same country with some of these retards(like in Youtube videos).
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 23, 2009 18:48:00 GMT -5
Although I have had good relations with Muslim Albs .... from Kosovo to Albania.... I am sad with what I read here with some of the Turkish afterbirths.... it's good to know that they are a tiny minority that has to eventually have to be cut out like a cancer.
I have erred in my judgment of Muslim Albs.... I have nothing against them..if I have offended some I apologize ...my aim was towards the Turkish afterbirths.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 23, 2009 18:54:57 GMT -5
Those that you have good relations are not Muslim Albs. They are nice people in which they do not pray 5 times a day. And the only thing they share with Islam is just a name or last name. Just like my grandfather, remember, who you said looks "Hungarian". I mean wtf does he have in common with an Arab from middle east?
They are practically Atheists or Agnostics.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 23, 2009 19:11:23 GMT -5
Melty-types muslims are a minority in Albania. They are outliers. They try so hard to group all Muslims together. When reality is different.
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Post by Duke John on Sept 23, 2009 19:34:58 GMT -5
Those that you have good relations are not Muslim Albs. They are nice people in which they do not pray 5 times a day. And the only thing they share with Islam is just a name or last name. Just like my grandfather, remember, who you said looks "Hungarian". I mean wtf does he have in common with an Arab from middle east? They are practically Atheists or Agnostics. why do you talk like you know something,why do you try to minimize the muslim thing among albanians,what you say is wrong, there are people that pray 5 times and there are people that dont, just like christians some go to church and some dont, ask any Kosovar albanian in Kosova what religion is he and see what he answers,muslim ofcourse, like it or not, what the fuck has the apperance to do with religion? where the fuck you guys come from, why you are so alianited for your culture,habits and religion?  |
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Post by Duke John on Sept 23, 2009 19:36:33 GMT -5
Melty-types muslims are a minority in Albania. They are outliers. They try so hard to group all Muslims together. When reality is different. your type wannabe westerners that potray our culture religion and habits are a minority. |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 23, 2009 20:13:10 GMT -5
This is exactly what I mean. Faith in Albania, Albanian lands, is not necessarily faith-based but rather cultural and filial inheritance. Ask majority of people in Albania, even if they have ever stepped in a mosque before and never intend to, even if they party every weekend and fuk chicks at nightclubs, they will say, when asked, "Im Muslim". Albania is not yet developed to the point where people can make such distinctions. My father hates religion, open about his atheistic views... when asked what religion he is... he says Muslim, "but I dont practice it".
This is the reality of Albania.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 23, 2009 20:32:30 GMT -5
So now you agree with what i said about being nominally muslim? |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 23, 2009 21:55:42 GMT -5
thats not even a question...
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Post by jonleka on Sept 24, 2009 15:28:40 GMT -5
Insomniac my mother is catholic and my father muslim and i come from drenica where only 2% i could say practiced relegion same from my mothers side.
They way you view albanians i could say you are a minority. Not that I have never been to a mosque or church but nor have my grandfathers.
Take religion out of your head man, who gives a fuck what our neighbors think.
Kanaris I only cut my dick so i could be more swift, ask your grandmother she would know.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 24, 2009 15:42:52 GMT -5
I dont give a fuk what our neighbors think. It's not exactly our neighbors are the beacon of tolerance and civilization.
If you know my views about religion(agnostic). You would agree with me since i support diversity and tolerance. And i despise extremism especially of the religious kind.
My posts are only responding to Toskali who has from quite a few times now been trying to forcefed that Turkish bullchit in these forums.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 24, 2009 16:28:59 GMT -5
It claims that Albanians are newcomers to Macedonia, they moved into western macedonia via violent means thus forcing the macedonians away from there, and that our presence in their country was no more than 20000 by the beginning of 20th century. And they also claim that the meaning of our name - Shqiptar - means 'mountain people'. in that case we are coming down from the mountains ...again The 3 men and 2 donkeys and their 3 old Motorola cellphones will not be as lenient this time around bcs it will be the last .... Rexxy Says ...... *Bulgaria .......be prepared to expand a bit .....again *Greece ....you be ready to give back 43km within & across your whole border with us ...Albania and whats left of Macedonia in the aftermath .....we will call it as payment....  *Kosova ...we good ...if we need anything we will call ya ....make babies *Albania ...make some new plans for more highways ;D *Serbia .....just drink your turkish coffee and beat on your f*gs ...all is well *Turkey ......make more Baklava and send coffee
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Post by epiroti on Sept 24, 2009 16:57:11 GMT -5
No worries Rexxo, they already sh@t themselves and promised to change them. They must have seen some Albs around Tetovo with camouflage gear on...
And not only will they change the parts that are offensive to the Albanians, but the Academy of Tirana said 'the part of the encyclopedia treating Albanian issues should be written by Albanian intellectuals (in FYROM), as they know our history better (than the slavs). If they need help, the academy of Tirana is more than ready to help'.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 24, 2009 17:26:15 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that 100-150 years ago the majority of the Albos were thinking like tourkomelty...?
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Post by Duke John on Sept 24, 2009 18:49:48 GMT -5
Patrinos turn your volume up and listen to this one, i recomend you to put some dipers on because you might chit on your self just like your forefathers did when they heard this and saw my albanian janissary forefathers marched thru your towns and villlages under this march song! and here is a r r reeee mixxxx! |
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