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Post by gavrilo on Sept 27, 2009 15:25:27 GMT -5
I was just reading through the thread regarding the jannisarries, and i kept seeing little comments regarding the differences between southern albanians and northern ones, especially during the ottoman rule.
does anyone have any insight into the differences? or any links that i can read through (english please. or serbian ;D ;D ;D). thanks ahead of time
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 27, 2009 15:31:53 GMT -5
i think my question was a little to broad, but to be more precise, what would be the differences in terms of customs, culture, mentality, etc.
Most of the albanians i know are from either kosovo or north albania, so i really dont know any albanians from southern albania.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 27, 2009 16:11:50 GMT -5
Southern Albania was more assimilated into the Ottoman Imperial complex than northern Albania. Since the north is more mountaineous it was harder for the Ottomans to pierce the region. Albanisn in general have a very closed in quasi-xenophobic mentality historically and so in the north Ottoman rule, even by Muslims, was shunned in favor of local or tribal law. The end result is that the north became isolated as opposed to the south, where Albanians regularly migrated and were involved in the Ottoman realm.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Sept 27, 2009 16:14:00 GMT -5
Also, while K.Albs and N. Albanians have bigger c0cks thans Servs, we from the South have them even bigger
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 27, 2009 22:24:54 GMT -5
was this due to it being more mountainous or becasuse it was (perhaps) a part of a differant district within the empire?
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 28, 2009 0:08:27 GMT -5
there is no fukin difference serbiatchhh, we'll fuk u up anywhere you enter...
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Post by insomniac on Sept 28, 2009 1:17:49 GMT -5
^ Don't be retarded.
My aunt was telling me that Macedonians and even Serbs are frequent visitors in Southern Albania. They prefer the beaches in the south, over Durres. She told me it is packed and not just with macedonian albanians.
in tems of difference, there's not much differences gavrilo. the northern part of Albania has some really beautiful mountains.
perhaps maybe differences same as southern serbia (nis) vs. those from belgrade. same idea. petty little differences,
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 1:33:40 GMT -5
was this due to it being more mountainous or becasuse it was (perhaps) a part of a differant district within the empire? Its completely because it was mountainous. It preserved older characteristics of Albanian society that were lost in the more urban south.
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Post by slavirusi on Sept 28, 2009 1:41:01 GMT -5
Gavrlo tell me what is a difference between someone from Subotica and someone from Pirot
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Sept 28, 2009 9:38:24 GMT -5
just the dialect geg and tosk makes that difference between south and north Albania
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 28, 2009 16:58:14 GMT -5
Southies are more civilized... ...less malok... ;D
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Post by insomniac on Sept 28, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5
I've meat some really nice people from Lezha from the North.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 28, 2009 17:19:05 GMT -5
The difference: ;D North South
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 28, 2009 17:31:17 GMT -5
Well in serbia people from vojvodina (where I am from) speak, eat, listen to music, etc, that is slightly differant than say bosnians, serbs from nis or montenegrins. The differences are subtle, and I'm guessing its because of the differant influences from ottoman, hapsburg, and ventian kingdoms. I figured that it could possibly be the case with north and south albania, as in many other countries around the balkans. Also, serbs from vojvodina have slightly differant mentalities than other serbs from say bosnia or crna gora. They are probably unrecognizable to the average tourist or visitor, but obvious the native peoples. The same, I presume, happens in albania.
Ps illrida, please stop being an internet thug. Whether you like it or not, I would like to learn something about the people that I share the balkan peninsula with.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 28, 2009 17:37:15 GMT -5
yeah. i also think differences are same as dalmatia and slavonia in croatia.
northern albania being more mainland and continental while southern coastal. the people then adapt to these environment.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 17:46:50 GMT -5
To put it simply, by Albanians in the south accepting the Ottoman era urbanization and other cultures, like that of the Kurbet we became more involved than northern Albanians in a regional wide system. This allowed Albanians in the south to shake off their traditional clannish culture in favor of a more urban and developed one, allowing for further development. In the north, however, the culture remained closed, tribal/clannish and very traditional. The developments that occurred in southern Albania also occurred in Kosovo, where Albanians also lost their clannish culture in favor of a more settled one. Basically, the traditional diff. between a Serb from Serbia and a Montenegrin would characterize the diff quite well. Isa Blumi puts it rather well in this article, where he characterizes the difference between north and south Albania quite well: (On Prof. Blumi: www2.gsu.edu/~wwwhis/4021.html)www.scribd.com/doc/8521470/The-Dynamics-of-Identity-Albanians-in-the-Post-Ottoman-BalkansTruth be told, however, from my own experience, the mindset between the two is not that noticeably different. There are shining lights and the lowest of the low in both.
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Post by bato2 on Sept 28, 2009 18:16:03 GMT -5
Southies are more civilized... ...less malok... ;D Maniatis&Kritikos = Greek malok
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Post by donnie on Sept 28, 2009 20:44:19 GMT -5
I think Kosova served as a middle-thing between Northern Albania and Southern Albania, sort of heading towards the same path as the south but not at the same full stage. While the role of clans lost their original role in Kosova, the memory of them, unlike in Southern Albania, did not dissappear. In the most western fringe of Kosova, they even kept their traditional role intact, in the Decan territory (where they were closer to the Malesi and where in general they're closer to the Malsors).
Then it also depends where you look. Towns like Prizren, Gjakova and Prishtina became urban centres with a town culture very typical of the Ottoman era and quite distinct from the highland culture, much like Shkoder, with public baths, vakufs, medreses, libraries etc. Prizren, by the mid sixteenth century had 7-8 mosques, one medrese, several elementary schools and a public bath with separate sections for men and women, not to mention a stone bridge. Artisans from Prizren and Gjakova were widely known and admired for their excellent work, especially in producing beautifully ornamented pistols. Even a literary tradition emerged with authors like Prishtinasi Mesihi or Celalzade Salih Celebi ....
On the other hand, you had tough regions like Drenica, Rugova (a mere extension of Kelmendi) Decani or Shala. Here, you'd have difficulties differentiating them from the Malesi. Drenica was virtually autonomous and the bajrak institution serves as a proof to the similiar social conditions of Drenice with Malesi; Drenica wasn't under any pasha's direct control, but answered rather to their respective bajraktars who had the responsibility of mobilizing troops under his flag and there were many of these considering the small region in question. By the end of the 19th century, the Turks tried to establish final control over Drenica and succeeded in maintaining control over the southern fringe still known today as "Drenica e Pashes" because of this. The core of Drenica however successfully repelled the pasha's attacks and the region never experienced much direct Ottoman control, further confirmed by the fact that it was always one of Kosova's most undeveloped parts.
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Post by donnie on Sept 28, 2009 20:51:54 GMT -5
Other than this, having met fellow compatriots, I'd say we're far more similiar than different. Whatever variation there is adds flavour and colour ... it is often seen as smth confusing and even negative, but the many influences present in our lands trully make us a crossroad, and to still be united is a strength and beauty in itself ... it is a richness unmatched by any other state in Europe. Regional differences are trivial compared to the possible threat there could've been from having different religions ... look at Bosnia, I'm sry to use it as an example, but religion has been a source of a vicious inner conflict.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 21:44:17 GMT -5
Well Tosks have been losing their clan system since we started to usurp Byzantine and Venetian cities in the 14th, 15th and 16th century... Kosovo Albanians have only been expanding urbanistically for 300 or so years. By the 18th century southern Albania was largely manorial. The difference in the meaning of the word Bey in the south (noble landholder) as opposed to the north (warlord) is a recognition of this.
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