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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 26, 2009 17:54:34 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 27, 2009 0:17:49 GMT -5
Just watched something like this several nights back (perhaps even the same thing) and it was very interesting indeed.
Basic idea is that it is a possibility that big bang was caused as a result of two parallel universes colliding or parts of them colliding as they were expanding towards each other.
The collision caused the big bang or so the theory goes.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 27, 2009 0:29:35 GMT -5
^ Where did the parallel universes come from?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 27, 2009 11:03:48 GMT -5
I am not exacly an epert on this subject but here is some info on multiverse. The multiverse (or meta-universe [metaverse]) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including our universe) that together comprise all of reality. The different universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes. The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered.
Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. The specific term "multiverse" was coined in 1895 by psychologist William James.[1] In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
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Post by leshte on Aug 27, 2009 15:21:43 GMT -5
Don't want to act like an expert, definitelly I am not one, especially when one sees Dr. Michio Kaku on the videos; but the more I hear and listen about this the more I think that even these bright minds have no clue about what's out there; string theory, multiple universes etc. I get this feeling that a lot of what they're saying is just speculation and more philosophy rather than proved science. Anyone else thinks the same?
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Post by rex362 on Aug 27, 2009 15:28:51 GMT -5
I agree ^
besides ...
Mysia is the Only One True Universe of Universes .
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 27, 2009 16:54:22 GMT -5
^ Where did the parallel universes come from? Perhaps the universe is not constricted to our sense of beginning and end?
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Post by albquietman on Aug 27, 2009 23:01:58 GMT -5
Don't want to act like an expert, definitelly I am not one, especially when one sees Dr. Michio Kaku on the videos; but the more I hear and listen about this the more I think that even these bright minds have no clue about what's out there; string theory, multiple universes etc. I get this feeling that a lot of what they're saying is just speculation and more philosophy rather than proved science. Anyone else thinks the same? You're right, all of they are talking about is just theory, proved with math equations, which if you noticed in the documentary were blurred...anyway, they came up with the parallel universe theory just because lately was discovered that electrons do not revolve around the nucleus like we used to think, but they jump from one position to another, and according to this latest discovery again, they (the electrons) can be in different places at the same time. This discovery made the scientists to think that probably our universe, our galaxy, solar system and our planet, including us, since we all are made of atoms, exist in more than one place at the same time...nice parallelism, but too hard to believe it... The string theory is trial theory that tries to connect Relativity of Einstein with the quantum theory, because they aren't in compliance with each-other. Stephen Hawking, the 'modern' Einstein, doesn't support the string theory. He is trying to do the same, to come up with a theory of everything, but not based on the string theory. All these scientists are doing a good job to try to explain how the universe works, no one can deny it, but it will take a lot of trial and error until we really understand how it really works, and it will take much more time than we think...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 28, 2009 0:43:27 GMT -5
AlbQ wrote: Well answer...Yet, I tend to think they are on the right path. (Recall Antique Greeks invented atoms even before science proved it) Someday they will solve the math equation but as they say, it requires another math language. The joining of quantum theory with Relativity so far cannot stay together because of gravity. However, if tend to transform mass into energy and disappear mass (if i am not totally wrong), something might be achieved! Also, gravity (as they say) represents itself as a weak force but according to Einstein is not! It just looks like a weak force for our 3 dimensional world...my conviction is that there are infinite dimensions out there and Hawking lately said that they are reconsidering string theory and M theory because it may be proved to be true...quoting his words: 'if we don't blow ourselves first"... Now, a question for you - if you give an answer you may go for Nobel: how does gravity work? PS: Mass is what kills me!!! I want to disappear it! lol...to invent..."antimass'...lol...same as antimatter, that was so strange in the beginning but is created in labs today in very small quantities (since it destroys matter and itself) and is found in radioactive subatomic particles or something!!
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 28, 2009 9:14:52 GMT -5
PS: Mass is what kills me!!! Myslef Lord/God Sun_MYSUS Christ I am the Only One Giant MASSA I am Center of Universe MESA (Mesini) All those is Myself Mysia JESUS THE MESSIAH which means I am SuperMASSA!!!
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Post by epiroti on Aug 28, 2009 9:57:04 GMT -5
I actually think this is beyond our understanding. By that, I mean that these are conclusions of mathematical theories... Deductions of a methodology of problem-solving that seems like the neatest form of thinking humans have achieved so far: maths. We're developing this language so far that it is quite impossible to understand it now. Much of the way we understand things is by visualising them (the interaction of forces/factors in a system, etc...).
I find it quite impossible to comprehend a fourth dimension. If that be time, than why are we thinking of it as a dimension?! It is simply a different property of reality - why insist in calling it a dimension?! If, the fourth or fifth... or eleventh dimension, it is spacial, than even worse - visually/spacially 3 dimensions are enough - whatever it is suppose to represent, can't it be represented with just 3 dimensions?!
My point is, it has become too complex for our mental tools to understand. It only makes sense mathematically (left-hand side balances out with the right-hand side of the equation sort of thing). These 'parallel universes' concepts are either analogies to facilitate the understanding, or simply a selling technique of the ideas...
But I do think physics is beautiful. Physics, and only a handful of other disciplines, like chemistry and electrical engineering, are the cream of our current civilisation.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 28, 2009 10:49:03 GMT -5
But I do think physics is beautiful. Physics, and only a handful of other disciplines, like chemistry and electrical engineering, are the cream of our current civilisation. and that Special Cream that makes possible of Our Current Civilization is Myself The Only One Holy God SuperMASSA Mysia JESUS The Messiah.
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Post by leshte on Aug 28, 2009 12:38:51 GMT -5
I don't wanna sound biased, Epirjoti, but Chemical Engineering is right there equal with electrical engineering if not superior to it. The beauty of it is that it is so versatile. So many of the drug discoveries are made by Chemical Engineers and so many other medical and pharmaceutical advancements. So many fluid mechanic problems are solved by Chemical Engineers. So much biological research is done by chemical Engineers. So many jobs are taken from mechanical engineers by chemical engineers. So much research into new materials, and into new sources of energy is done by Chemical Engineers. And one of the most important of them Thermodynamics is where chemical engineers thrive. Even with only a B.S of Chemical Engineering one can go from becoming a medical doctor to a lawyer with only 4-5 more of schooling. From becoming the guy that discovers new drugs and pharmaceutics, to researching solar panels and biomass. Anyway, that was biased but that's only cuz I been spending years in the field in school and at work. Other than that I agree with what most you guys have been saying.
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Post by epiroti on Aug 28, 2009 13:00:44 GMT -5
no contradiction at all to what you are saying leshte. I just didn't want to make the list too long.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 28, 2009 13:21:10 GMT -5
Friend of mine a chemical engineering guy change his field and become the Priest. He said that there isn't science but is God's Holy Creation which can't be play or go against with. God is He and *HE always will be Myself, Mysia JESUS The Messiah !!!!!
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Post by luarasi on Aug 28, 2009 14:54:54 GMT -5
I like the idea of parallel universes. Why should God simulate one universe when he can do many using same electrons.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 28, 2009 18:49:05 GMT -5
More...lecture of Hawking...
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Post by albquietman on Aug 29, 2009 1:50:21 GMT -5
Well answer...Yet, I tend to think they are on the right path. (Recall Antique Greeks invented atoms even before science proved it) Someday they will solve the math equation but as they say, it requires another math language. The joining of quantum theory with Relativity so far cannot stay together because of gravity. However, if tend to transform mass into energy and disappear mass (if i am not totally wrong), something might be achieved! Also, gravity (as they say) represents itself as a weak force but according to Einstein is not! It just looks like a weak force for our 3 dimensional world...my conviction is that there are infinite dimensions out there and Hawking lately said that they are reconsidering string theory and M theory because it may be proved to be true...quoting his words: 'if we don't blow ourselves first"... Now, a question for you - if you give an answer you may go for Nobel: how does gravity work? PS: Mass is what kills me!!! I want to disappear it! lol...to invent..."antimass'...lol...same as antimatter, that was so strange in the beginning but is created in labs today in very small quantities (since it destroys matter and itself) and is found in radioactive subatomic particles or something!! Something that exists, can't be invented, but discovered, and greeks did not discover the atoms. They just came up with the idea that matter was made of small particles that can't be divided, which they called 'atoms', and means 'singular' in english. Was a great idea, and a logical one, but they never proved it, because they couldn't. But as we all know today, the atom is not undivided, as greeks thought. Einstein and the quantum theory like each-other until they get inside the black holes. There is only the quantum theory that can in some way explain what goes on in there, but the laws and the equations of relativity stop working, and that's what the scientists are trying to do, including Stephen Hawking, to find an one theory for all, which explain everything, including Big Bang. The one theory for all idea didn't started today. It is about a century old, and that's what Einstein tried to do with his theory of relativity, but as I said, the black holes don't like his theory, because inside a black hole, the gravity is infinite, not even light can escape from it and that means that space and time cease to exist. We still don't know what happen inside a black hole, but we know that they are formed when a star dies. Gravity before Einstein, was believed to be a force that came from the bodies in space, like Earth Sun and other planets. That's the way Newton explained it with his theory and it worked for us until Einstein's time. It was Einstein that saw the gravity in a different way, and that way is that the gravity is warping of the fabric of space. Fabric of space is made of 4 dimensions, three space and one time. So gravity is nothing else than what a body does to the space, to the surrounding universe. The bigger the body, the bigger the warping, the bigger the gravity. Everything and everybody that has a mass, creates gravity, even you, me and everyone else create gravity, because we warp the space and time too, but the gravity we create is much weaker than the Earth's gravity, since we live on the surface of the Earth, and Earth is much bigger than us, so it's unnoticeable here on Earth. But if we go in outer space, the gravity that we create, will be more noticeable. So think of gravity as warping of the fabric of space, not a force that comes from the body itself. Below is a little pic that explains it graphically: I tried to explain what scientist say, and I hope that answered your question...but the Nobel price goes to them, not me... .
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Post by rex362 on Aug 29, 2009 14:31:46 GMT -5
------------------------------------ Mysia, Be careful when offending Einstein... word up !
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Post by luarasi on Aug 30, 2009 8:39:41 GMT -5
Friend of mine a chemical engineering guy change his field and become the Priest. He said that there isn't science but is God's Holy Creation which can't be play or go against with. God is He and *HE always will be Myself, Mysia JESUS The Messiah !!!!! He found a perfect excuse for his underachievement, being a priest is not an exact science, and chemical engineering is much harder than being a priest. It sounds more like a sower grape to me!
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