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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 13, 2009 15:16:26 GMT -5
Material historik nga dokumentarë të viteve 1967 dhe 1974 për fenë dhe ateizmin në Shqipëri.
Historical material from 1967 and 1974 Albanian documentaries on atheism and religion.
Three Parts:
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 13, 2009 15:20:21 GMT -5
I always like watching communist propaganda videos.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 13, 2009 18:56:28 GMT -5
Albanians are spiritual and religion people that's why God is mention and in Albanian Anthem during and Enver Hoxha in power. -For the Lord Himself has said That nations vanish from the earth But Albania shell Live on Because for her, it is for her that we fight. Take a Look The Link Albanian National Anthem! www.illyrians.org/anthem1.htmNuk ka Atdhe pa fe.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 13, 2009 21:24:46 GMT -5
Cfar bdaluk eshte kjo? Cfar pune ka feja me atdheun?
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Post by leshte on Aug 13, 2009 22:51:41 GMT -5
Cfar lidhje ka feja me atdheun. C'lidhje ka nje mjekerosh prift apo hoxhe me atdheun? S'ka atdhe pa mjekrat e tyre. Car traplleku.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 14, 2009 11:54:51 GMT -5
Cfar pune ka feja me atdheun? Atdhe means FatherLand and that means Earthly God! At+Dhe At=God (Father) Dhe=Earth
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Post by leshte on Aug 14, 2009 14:30:00 GMT -5
Yea so what? So is the freedom of not practising religion. Ska lidhje fare feja me atdheun.
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 14, 2009 15:15:21 GMT -5
havent watched it yet,but is what they say is true?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 14, 2009 15:23:16 GMT -5
Its a perverted truth... seen through a socialist screen...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 14, 2009 15:29:19 GMT -5
The whole interpretation of religion of religion is pretty much BS. The idea that it was a falsification meant to "keep the people down" by the "bourgeois-clerics" is overly simplistic BS.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 14, 2009 16:36:36 GMT -5
shejtanit bashke me lakejte dhe cakejte qe i shkojne nga pas do keputur koka njehere e pergjithmone
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Post by leshte on Aug 14, 2009 16:45:48 GMT -5
Yea BS. We needed a couple of guys from the middle east; some who created christianity some who created islam to govern the countries or for countries to exist. What a bull$hit way of thinking. Hellooooooooooooo take a deep fvcking look at the middle east and see how good they have it. Slaugheting and murdering each other for religion. Fvcking religious numbuts who connect everything with religion.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 14, 2009 16:54:56 GMT -5
Hey leshte, I told you that I'm spiritual and religion person . How about you?
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Post by leshte on Aug 14, 2009 18:26:51 GMT -5
Spiritual and religious are not necessarily the same thing.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 14, 2009 19:34:08 GMT -5
Spiritual and religious are not necessarily the same thing. that's why I ask you are spiritual or religion person.
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Post by leshte on Aug 14, 2009 22:38:35 GMT -5
Yea not religious; you could say that. I think religions were/are made by men to create a herd mentality and control the herd for political, self enrichment, and any selfish motive people are capable of. I have nothing against people who are religious and keep it to themselves; rather than BS-ing you about religion every chance they get. This is not to say that I don't believe there is a God. Although there are moments; but that's just human.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 15, 2009 0:36:14 GMT -5
Okay, leshte, I am an atheist, I dispise religion to such an extent that I would love nothing less than to go to Tirana and see all the priests and hoxhas hanging off of trees and every church and mosque burned to the ground.
But here is some reality: NO MAN/MEN CREATED FAITH. PEOPLE CREATED FAITH. They are not the creations of elitists for the purpose of oppressing, they are the evolution of a peoples cultural evolution over a period of time. Faith was/is a part of the people. What you are proposing is nothing less than the BS invented by communists to explain 90% of things that occurred in the past. By the same token, I could argue laws are nothing more than a way for the elites to control the masses, that cops are nothing more than the oppressive instruments of the bourgeois so as to separate them from us.
Faith has evolved. The bible is a scripture that accumulates hundreds of years of orally transmitted rituals and traditions practiced by the MASSES, not by the few. Similarly so with the bible. Religion is a part of mankind's development. Its a part of rationalization and civilization. From the 10 commandments down to the Albanian honor-code.
In it of themselves, religion is not meant for hate or violence or manipulation. It is made to answer. Answer our questions about ourselves and satisfy our search for a 'truth'. It is in it of itself peaceful since it promotes qualities in man that are essentially good (community feeling, selflessness, moral uprightness). It is religion and an awe for god that made the Albanian besa so strong, because Albanians of earlier times thought that to break it was to transgress divine law. Blood feud is also founded upon religious moral codes.
The elites are, in a way, servents of the many since they cannot hold power without them. The many want a church in their area, because they and the elites though faith and the divine was important for the moral and physical health of the community. In this way faith remains a part of the people.
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Post by leshte on Aug 15, 2009 2:19:19 GMT -5
I get your point and I agree with a lot of what you said. Yes many men might have helped in the creation of a doctrine but it's still men that created it. Other people; majority of them bought into the story. The goals of it? Some goals and reasons why religions were created are as a result of ignorance. People seek answers so they invent something; religions in most cases. People fear something so they invent something; religions. So that part of the doctrine and the reason why parts of religion were created; I buy them and what you said is very reasonable. However I will just take one example. Christianity. You can take any other religion you want. The bible if I am not mistake was written decades after Jesus's death. We also know for a fact that there were more books around than the books that are in the bible today. So I cannot help but question. Who decided what books are fine for the bible and what were the standards in choosing these books? I think we can all agree that God wasn't choosing what books go in the bible. We also agree that men were choosing them. Based on that we can say that men created religion (Christianity in that case). If not all of it a very important part of it; I think its backbone. Now lets talk about reasons other than what I mentioned above. Why are there no women priests? Any logical person with only a little bit of a thinking power knows why. Because some man somewhere decided that women were a lesser person compared to a man hence not deserving to become priests or high members in Christianity such as Popes etc. Ok as we see here from its very creation in Christianity its goal was to control who can have power in such a religion ( in this case males). Now that we know that part of why any religion is formed is search for answers and ignorance of mankind and because the fear mankind has when it cannot explain things; lets go to the other dimension. Who do you think decides what makes a good christian for example or good muslim. Any person with the minimum brainpower can tell you that the people who decide that are men be them church men or mosque men; men who have power on such religious institutions. You say religion is not created by men to control people and create a herd mentality; I say that at least part of it is. For example if that wasn't the case why for example to be a good muslim you can't eat pork and why do majority of muslims don't eat pork. Isn't that a heard and do you think with all the suffering that goes around the world God would really cares if another of the animals he created gets eaten from a group of people or not? Let me not talk about the rules of what meant to be a good chrstian further down the road when Vatican became so powerful. Wasn't Vatican during that time all about controling people. Isn't the religious revolution in Iran all about control. To think that from its very creation men created religion at least partly to control people's minds and turn them into herds is not wrong. I believe it is naive to think control is not a very important goal of religions.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 16, 2009 11:34:28 GMT -5
we can say that men created religion In albanian Krist (Christ) means The Head. Kri+ist (God Head) Kri=Head (Krye) ist=is In albanian Christianity means religion organization that Christians gathering around Myself Lord/God Sun_MYSUS Christ. Christ+ian Christ=God Head ian=are As for Islam and Muslims that is a religion organization that gathering around Myself Holy God Musli. (MYSUS) MushAllah means Myself God Musa. Musha+Allah Musha=Musa Allah=God My Blessing Everyone!
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 16, 2009 12:55:42 GMT -5
The majority didnt buy the story, the majority created them, via their traditions and practices over a period of hundreds or thousands of years. Faith is based on the common practices of the people and only later are they put into scripture.
After Jesus died, the Gospels of his life began to be passed around orally throughout the east, mostly Palestine. They were later compiled into writing. Of the 30 or so stories, 5 were considered the most authentic and chosen for the Bible. This was done under the Nicean council when religious orthodoxy was decided upon by the heads of the church under Constantine. It was a way for end the religious squabbles that were going on around them over the nature of Christianity. It was artificial, yes, very much so. The standard was the Nicaean council's decision to uphold certain Christian principles those fathers believed in. Like the trinity for instance.
These men didnt create Christianity, though, the popular Gospels were already known to the followers for hundreds of years before the Nicaean. They made religion uniform.
Because women, until recently, were viewed as inferior to me and such positions were held strictly for me. Its not about religion here, its about societial values. The myth of Adam and Even was around long before it was put down in the Old Testament and the backbones of the story were there even earlier. Control of woman and perception of woman as an inferior is an extremely commonly held belief throughout most history. Matched also by a need to control women and to control who they sleep with. Repression of women is what we call today the men's need to limit the interactions of females with the world and thus possibly result in... wedlock children.
It wasnt a created thing though, it was societal. It is based off of the patriarchic quality of life in antiquity and thus in the church.
Prohibition over the eating of pork seems to be a middle east quality. Where exactly it originated, do not know, but this prohibition (alongside circumcision) was a practice followed by the Hamitic Egyptian people, along with Arabs and Hebrews. Among a number of others. Biblical tradition perhaps tries to give an explanation to this... That I do not know much about.
Every religion has a hierarchy. But that hierarchy is created by the religion, not vice versa. Christianity and Islam existed way before the Papacy and the Mullahs.
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