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Post by chalkedon on Aug 7, 2009 4:00:04 GMT -5
I dont know man...i guess we see things differently. I dont remember....when was the last time you took a trip to Greece or S Albania for that matter ?
I think the US is screwing you up man...take a break and relax.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 7, 2009 4:03:43 GMT -5
Last time I was in Albania was three years ago... expenses are hard to come by. However, now I have land in my native south, so hopefully my trips will come more often. And why did you just mention south Albania? Think there is some noted difference? I dont stay in just south Albania. I have family in all parts of Albania. South and north.
And Ive never really been to Greece... dont care to go really...
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Post by insomniac on Aug 7, 2009 4:09:15 GMT -5
I feel Albanians are unique. Chalkedon is right in a way, we got nothing in common with those in the picture starting from mentality, skin color, texture, odor, culture, etc.
The northern dinarics warrior vs. the also robust southerns. The difference between the two are even less than rednecks vs. newyorkers(or confederate vs. unionists).
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 7, 2009 4:13:26 GMT -5
Well, make some time to cross the border. You might see some similarities that would surprise you. My view of albo's changed dramtically over the years. Like i said, i feel more comforatble...maybe its because i always " assumed " than really knew.
I mentioned S. Albania because many of them cross everyday to Greece and work here.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 7, 2009 4:14:07 GMT -5
Albania doesnt have New Yorkers... maybe 10% of Tirana... the rest of Albania... is culturally equivalent to rednecks.
I dont need to. My block here is 70% Greek. All the apartments are Greeks. Their family got together bought the thing and filled it to the brink with family members. I found out why they always stare at me while walking, my dad told me. They asked him if he was Greek, he said no... Albanian... and now they dont even so much as nod hello.
Funny enough, a few blocks away, my aunt purchased a house 10 years ago and apparently her neighbors were Greeks. For the first few days they would come out and say hello, finally they asked her where she was from. She said Albania... they did the very same thing. Now they dont so much as look at each other.
Just a few days ago, while my uncle was coming in my house a Greek asked him why he moved to America and didnt "crowd in Greece". Naturally his response was that only villagers and peasants go to Greece. The educated ones pick America, Italy or Canada.
I have a thousand such stories. There is a reason why its common for Albs to call your people "disgusting" or "filthy". Its not because of Hoxha. Its because of our experiences. We never had hatred prior. Only after. We just disliked you prior.
And please dont turn this topic into a Greek vs. Alb. It has to do with Europe, largely western Europe. Although I dont see much of a difference between they and your people in the terms I posed above.
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Post by insomniac on Aug 7, 2009 4:24:55 GMT -5
Yeah, i dont think i can accept Greeks as being close to us with the way they have acted against us. Against Kosovo & Albania when refugees were being killed, greeks were protesting. Look at Pyrros in this forum, a good representative of Greeks.
It will take a while before that settles with me.
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 7, 2009 4:49:40 GMT -5
Next to the fact that the EU is at least 1 mio times better and more humanitarian than the f.ucking USA... come on meltdodown as if you would care about the lifes of ni.ggers...you justify the armenian genocide and are telling they got what they deserved but in rwanda-case meltdown is turning a humanitarian...? lool surely..
learn to appear with your real face and spare us your double-faced-games....your supposed bother about killed humans is so unbelievably unconvincing on the one hand...and on the other hand the reader becomes aware of how inconsequent you are in your thoughts... like a 15-year old teen. Get adult.
and ex ante: Spare me your cheap justifications and pseudo-differentiations...I wont even read them.
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Post by bato2 on Aug 7, 2009 7:24:48 GMT -5
This isnt the topic for you to be throwing your crap to speak out your racist mindset. If you want to get into a historical discussion about Albanians "fighting" out Turkish brothers and sisters during the last stages of the Ottoman Empire, open a topic. But be warned, I know a lot more than you do... |
I am not racist, not a Turkish a$$licker either The truth hurt!..For you maybe are brothers because you are a Turk not a Albanian Some people are born to be slaves
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 7, 2009 7:58:41 GMT -5
Albania doesnt have New Yorkers... maybe 10% of Tirana... the rest of Albania... is culturally equivalent to rednecks. I dont need to. My block here is 70% Greek. All the apartments are Greeks. Their family got together bought the thing and filled it to the brink with family members. I found out why they always stare at me while walking, my dad told me. They asked him if he was Greek, he said no... Albanian... and now they dont even so much as nod hello. Funny enough, a few blocks away, my aunt purchased a house 10 years ago and apparently her neighbors were Greeks. For the first few days they would come out and say hello, finally they asked her where she was from. She said Albania... they did the very same thing. Now they dont so much as look at each other. Just a few days ago, while my uncle was coming in my house a Greek asked him why he moved to America and didnt "crowd in Greece". Naturally his response was that only villagers and peasants go to Greece. The educated ones pick America, Italy or Canada. I have a thousand such stories. There is a reason why its common for Albs to call your people "disgusting" or "filthy". Its not because of Hoxha. Its because of our experiences. We never had hatred prior. Only after. We just disliked you prior. And please dont turn this topic into a Greek vs. Alb. It has to do with Europe, largely western Europe. Although I dont see much of a difference between they and your people in the terms I posed above. Well, if it makes you feel any better. I dont exactly like my neighbors and they are greek as i am. In any case...it could be cause of many factors, i dont know. But in chicago i know a lot of greek albos that hang out. Balkan ppl usually stick together when they are on " foreign " territory. but to get back to your point...europe is actually pretty humanitarian considering we are becoming a human warehouse for all kinds of underpriveldged ppl. In the middleeast countries you can even worship in a church, but in europe they make sure all the rights are provided. All though in my opinion they shouldnt.....
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 7, 2009 8:07:55 GMT -5
I have albanian neighbours as well...never talk to them either...they simply s.uck...cant behave themselves...they think we are in 3. world Kosovo here where no laws and no order exist...they think everything is theirs...backward people...I understand the Greeks...there are only very few albanians who are "europeans" in manners. Its sad but true. Generally people that grew up in ante-communist countries are extremely backward in comparison to those who did not. So I wouldnt say its an only-albanian thing...but albanians must be rougher people by nature...this strengthens their already due to communist past almost-animalistic behaviour.
But as I said that doesnt go for all of them...but how shall I say...you will never find such people among Greeks...never. We are a big step above them in the field of civilized behaviour.. I dont say that because Im Greek...its just the truth.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 7, 2009 8:29:22 GMT -5
You can say what you like about the West, but atleast the West have recognized their wrongdoings in the past and they continue to bring in immigrants from the eastern world. Countries like France and Germany have an increasing Muslim population and have taken these people into their country. Not to mention these Western Countries, with the assistance of America, helped the Kosova situation. Where were the Arab countries to come in our defense? A Muslim majority nation such as Kosova has only recently gotten some recognitions. These Arab countries are more interested in handing out Quarans then they are in helping Albanians out.
In addition, where do you think the money from abroad comes from? Albanians working in Western Countries. How about foreign investments? Do you think the East cares about the infastructure in Albania or are they interested in building more Mosques?
Albanians need to be weary because the West are capitalists pigs that look out for their own interest, however, the other option, the East, provides no benefits for Albanians.
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 7, 2009 8:44:42 GMT -5
If you have so much problem with the majority of Albanians' islamic past, one is the solution.... Seriously now...you cannot change or erase a part of your identity because of West's islamophobia... be for one time proud of your past choises...and let them say whatever they want...
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 7, 2009 8:47:07 GMT -5
The West has an increasing muslim population not to mention they are Secular today (similar to Albanians that live amongst 3 different faiths and a large agnostic/atheist population.) A mass conversion isn't necessary.
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Post by bob1389 on Aug 7, 2009 8:50:24 GMT -5
try to be civilised, you scumbag!!
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 7, 2009 8:51:39 GMT -5
Not to mention the West bombed your "Orthodox Brothers" for the sake of a Muslim State.
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 7, 2009 8:56:24 GMT -5
As much atheist and agnostic a European is there is a prejudice towards muslims. To be honest...we are too...maybe because of our turk neighbors and our history...but I think the majority of Greeks feel sympathy about Arabs, Iranians, Egyptians etc despite their religion... Westerners are much narrowminded and they equalize turban with terrorism...
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 7, 2009 8:58:52 GMT -5
Well that won't be a problem. Most Albanians aren't religious and many say they are Muslim because of their background. 99% of Albanians do not dress with Turbans either. BTW, have fun with those Arabs entering Greece. Wait till they start to multiply and become widespread.
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 7, 2009 9:07:02 GMT -5
Well, the majority have came without their families and are here to work and send money to their homes, and return in few years. At least they don't cause problems in our neighborhoods, they don't steal, kill, rape etc etc...if you exclude the episode that occured 2-3 months ago...that all the arabo-islamic organisations have condemned they don't cause serious problems...Of course if their number will increase more problems would also arrise... Extreme things cause extreme problems...so a big number of muslims( iraqis,pakistanis etc etc) would be a problem,its true...We have a saying in Greece... apo makrya kai agapimenoi...in distance and loved...
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 7, 2009 9:16:59 GMT -5
OH okay. Thanks for reminding us Patrinas. Albanians come to Greece to rape and steal and Arabs come to provide for their family. Gotchya. Truth be told, if there is one group of people I don't mind raping and stealing, it's the Greeks. Ishalla the Albanians continue on this same path of criminality.
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Post by donnie on Aug 7, 2009 9:19:07 GMT -5
Well, I think lumping all Europeans together in this instance is a little to simple. Many European nations, and I'm not just speaking of the Balkans, didn't partake in the colonization of other continents and the enslavement of locals. The main protagonists were the British, French, Spanish, Dutch and the Germans later on. Italians did play out a small role too, mainly in Libya & Ethiopia. And Belgium of course in Congo and Rwanda. So perhaps narrowing it down to the western part of Europe is wiser .. since much of northern (Scandinavia) and eastern Europe was really left out of the process.
Other than that, I completely agree. The European role in Rwanda and other African states/regions is despicable and a stain in human history. The Americans, although not innocent either, have surely played a better role in this department, showing bigger cojones and will as well as agility in acting accordingly when facing issues like these. It was their failure too in Rwanda ... but they didn't fail in Kosova, and they did finally act in Bosnia too, though much could've been prevented there too. Not to speak of the American role in WWII.
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