Kanaris
Amicus
This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
Posts: 9,587
|
Post by Kanaris on Aug 8, 2009 1:33:36 GMT -5
Cyril and Methodius learned Slavic too....
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 2:55:42 GMT -5
Chalkedon ... I don't believe we have too many things in common with Albanians.... they have been here only since 1200.... their only connection is the Greek Arvanites that were sent to them to educate them..Let's not confuse these facts.... These people need another 500 years to come out of the bottom of the barrel their in.... Thank God I don't have to see it in my life time. Yes, how many things in common would a Kalamatianos or a Naousaios or a Chiotis would have with a malok in the Albo-Montenegrin border...?
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 3:00:29 GMT -5
Well, the majority have came without their families and are here to work and send money to their homes, and return in few years. Well they can start a new family in Greece, they can have multiple whifes also provide a fresh blod for the coach potato nation, also they can blend in well with their Greek brothers of the same blood. Well our papas don't allow us to marry non-orthodox and they cannot change their religion... maybe the albanian immigrants here who are muslims will care about their co-believers...
|
|
|
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 8, 2009 3:00:45 GMT -5
This topic isnt for you kaurs to ruin. Its about the crimes of Europe in Africa.
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 3:01:49 GMT -5
...thodhoraqi...
|
|
|
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 8, 2009 3:32:49 GMT -5
What a pointless edit... Its Todhri. Learn to say it right, or if you cant, go and ask an older Arvanitis how to...
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 3:45:35 GMT -5
I thought Todhri is a kaour name too...
|
|
Kanaris
Amicus
This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
Posts: 9,587
|
Post by Kanaris on Aug 8, 2009 9:29:47 GMT -5
Patrino..America and Canada are nice places... if it wasn't for them..Melty would be building walls or serving frappedes in Athens... ;D
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 9:31:39 GMT -5
;D Why not picking olives in Kalamata...?! ;D...with a new nickname like Anaxagoras or smth...being an philhellene...!
|
|
Kanaris
Amicus
This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
Posts: 9,587
|
Post by Kanaris on Aug 8, 2009 9:59:17 GMT -5
Right on. Some can say the same about Greeks coming here.... well we came here when Canada opened it's doors...and looking for immigration.If we didn't we would probably be richer staying in Greece like most of my relatives.
|
|
Lib-Fier
Amicus
Bricklayer 'works for meals'
Posts: 1,092
|
Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 8, 2009 11:02:09 GMT -5
Right on. Some can say the same about Greeks coming here.... well we came here when Canada opened it's doors...and looking for immigration.If we didn't we would probably be richer staying in Greece like most of my relatives. look at this senile loser, old age is really doing a number on you isn't it? did your fat head take a blow recently or what? stop playing semantics about what immigration is, were your shabby, piss smelling parents wearing rags when they were being hosed down and sprayed with disinfectant? b1tch albanians are earning their money by working hard to feed their kids just little your parents were breaking their backs providing for a 400 pound walrus like you so you can grow up to think how mighty the fvking hellens were and taunt other immigrants across the globe, you low slimy cvnt, i wish i would run into you one day so i could smash your ugly bloated head in, prick.
|
|
Patrinos
Amicus
Peloponnesos uber alles
Posts: 4,763
|
Post by Patrinos on Aug 8, 2009 11:26:23 GMT -5
;D Why not picking olives in Kalamata...?! ;D...with a new nickname like Anaxagoras or smth...being an philhellene...! what's wrong with good, honest labor? you rat face, you've got some balls making derogatory remark, especially that ugly dark arab face of yours, shut your filthy mongrel face, stop posing as a greek, the ancient hellens would be turning in their graves if they knew what rodent crawl their lands, fvcking quasi negroid, go bleach that skin and make a kebab, i'm hungry. ;D..what ever you say ore alvane...ex-ottoman arnavud....I've posted my photo more than once...if I am arab faced so the rest 95% of the Greeks...thats ok for me...its better from looking like an alvanos...and i don't have problem to post it again... illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hellenichistory&action=display&thread=23744&page=2Leave ancient Greeks aside...( upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Fayum-71.jpg)...its blasphemy guys like you to reffer to them... I understand your complex...maybe you had a bad experience with a papa when you were kid...i'm sorry... And it isn't bad at all to work in the fields...i can't blaim none...the problem are the compatriots of yours...not much different from enslaved animals who plundered Greece the last 20 years....
|
|
|
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 8, 2009 11:55:42 GMT -5
Patrino..America and Canada are nice places... if it wasn't for them..Melty would be building walls or serving frappedes in Athens... ;D Unlikely, Cane, I already had links for Austria, Germany and Italy. Greece? Yea right! My parents knew the racist trash that awaited us there...
|
|
|
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 8, 2009 15:27:45 GMT -5
I thought Todhri is a kaour name too... Yes, many Albanians take up kaur names today, but do not feel kaur. I know a girl name Elizabet Islami. There is an Albanian journalist named Frederik Osmani. Oliger Hyseni. Ana Hoxha. The night before, the Murrizis had gathered with friends and family to mark the end of Ramadan, which they celebrated in a public apartment near the Montepulciano fire station, eating homemade baklava and drinking Turkish coffee.
“In Albania we would have had a bigger party,” Mr. Murrizi said that evening. “But here, we have to work; it’s the ‘vendemmia,’ ” or grape harvest.
Their host was Azem Mema, a contractor originally from Kavaje, Albania, who shares the apartment with his wife, Arta; their school-age daughters, Francesca and Alessia; and his mother, Kadife, a stocky woman with a white kerchief on her head and a dark shawl draped over her shoulders. www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/world/europe/03italy.htmlMy father's family is all Muslim Bektashi. 100 years ago all the names were: Osman, Tefik, Muharem, Sabri... today there are no Muslim names left. All Albanian or western 'Christian' names... yet they still say that they are Bektashi.. On my mothers side, 100 years ago among the Orthodox you found names like Kleopatra, Afrodhiti, Aglais, Niko, Foti, Spiro. Today their descendants have names like Ilir, Jetmir, Jetlir, Vivian, Getjana, E(r)mira, Nevila, Belma, Edmond, Ardjan.... There are Albanians out there named Edwin(Edvin) or Wilson (Vilson), or Cezar or whatever. Names in Albania are personal, people give names they like. We dont have a religious institution pushing us to give the names they find pleasing. You dont know Albanians much if you think first names matter. You look middle eastern... Learn to say this: La Ilah Il-Allah, Muhammedun Resul-AllahGo to a mosque with a local Albania Muslim immigrant. Go before the hoxha, and repeat that twice. Make sure the Albanian guy is acting as witness. You will immediately feel more 'comfortable'.
|
|
|
Post by Kassandros on Aug 8, 2009 18:56:12 GMT -5
Patrinos looks Middle Eastern or Arab?! Guys... really now.... do you know where Midle East or Arab people live and how they look like? I'm just asking just because I know most of you take the "famous" American education that informs you all about all the American presidents and all their personal life from when they were sperms.... and the same time you believe that Aphanistan is in Australia.... or you believe that Albanians look, like Skandinavians and Skandinavians is the the right race to be. ;D ;D ;D Guys.. you speak with Europeans now... get real and learn the world Come on guys.. dont be peasants with Mercedes. You dissapoint me..
|
|
|
Post by captainalbania on Aug 8, 2009 21:13:30 GMT -5
Thats not true, they are just slightly taller.
Pretty much, the Tutsis have been holding the power in Rwanda until the Hutus seized power in 1961. They are hated cause they were the upper classes.
You're an idiot. The Belgians didn't need to conquer, the Tutsis had full control of the area and submitted to German, then Belgian control. The Belgians didn't change the power structure. They inherited a problem state from the Germans who inherited it from the Mwami (King). Can't you read?
Also, Leopold II was out of power in 1909 before the Belgians controlled Rwanda-Urundi. Trying to connect the actions of Leopold's private colony in the Congo to what happened in Rwanda in 1990's is stupid. you're just pulling at straws. Leopold II has nothing to do with Rwanda.
Again, read what i wrote above. Tutsis have been the upper classes in Rwanda-Urundi for ages before the Belgians and Germans came. When "Democracy" came in 1961, the Hutu Nationalists seized power and started to kill the Tutsis and they have been at each other's throats ever since.
This was a simple ethnic conflict that got out of control. The whole world has a responsibility to stop the genocide, but it was not their fault that the genocide happened.
|
|
|
Post by danceswithpoodles on Aug 9, 2009 7:57:32 GMT -5
So I guess the black man is absolved from any wrongdoing ...blame it on whitey.
FYI, tribal conflict has been going on for centuries in Africa.
According to your logic, we can blame the arabs for creating conflict in Darfur.
|
|
|
Post by captainalbania on Aug 9, 2009 10:07:01 GMT -5
^ Or blame the Turks for the breakup of Yugoslavia
|
|
donnie
Senior Moderator
Nike Leka i Kelmendit
Posts: 3,389
|
Post by donnie on Aug 9, 2009 15:38:37 GMT -5
So I guess the black man is absolved from any wrongdoing ...blame it on whitey. FYI, tribal conflict has been going on for centuries in Africa. According to your logic, we can blame the arabs for creating conflict in Darfur. Rwanda wasn't just a "tribal conflict"; you're making it sound like a herd of goats were stolen and three-four males were killed as a result. What happened in Rwanda was a genocide, an unprecedented massacre of between 800,000-1,000,000 people, mainly Tutsi, within 100 days. The division between the Tutsi and Hutu seems to have been a rather artificial one, mostly related to social status and wealth rather than an actual tribal/ethnic identity ... this classification was emphasized in censuses as a mean to divide, giving favour to the "European-like" Tutsis (who, genetic studies show, have no non-African admixture) who became the aristocracy ... the Hutu resentment for the ruling puppets grew and grew and escalated in time, only to explode in 1994. This, in great, can be deduced to the divide et impera policy of European colonists, primarily the Germans and Belgians, and was not a part of some indigenous "tribal warfare" culture .... rather the idea of exterminating entire populations based on preconceived ideas of race and genetics seems to be indigenous to Europe, though of course, examples of extreme violence and massacres exist outside our continent as well. Also, as you say, not everything can be blamed entirely on whites. Some blacks in the US for instance show a great resentment towards the whites due to the treatment they've received ... but their brothers across the Atlantic are just as guilty. Most of the blacks were captives, owned by other blacks who sold them to white slave-traders, profiting from a market later to be condemned and solely blamed on the whites.
|
|
|
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 10, 2009 2:16:29 GMT -5
Thats not true, they are just slightly taller. Pretty much, the Tutsis have been holding the power in Rwanda until the Hutus seized power in 1961. They are hated cause they were the upper classes. You're an idiot. The Belgians didn't need to conquer, the Tutsis had full control of the area and submitted to German, then Belgian control. The Belgians didn't change the power structure. They inherited a problem state from the Germans who inherited it from the Mwami (King). Can't you read? Also, Leopold II was out of power in 1909 before the Belgians controlled Rwanda-Urundi. Trying to connect the actions of Leopold's private colony in the Congo to what happened in Rwanda in 1990's is stupid. you're just pulling at straws. Leopold II has nothing to do with Rwanda. Again, read what i wrote above. Tutsis have been the upper classes in Rwanda-Urundi for ages before the Belgians and Germans came. When "Democracy" came in 1961, the Hutu Nationalists seized power and started to kill the Tutsis and they have been at each other's throats ever since. This was a simple ethnic conflict that got out of control. The whole world has a responsibility to stop the genocide, but it was not their fault that the genocide happened. From a case-study website: Before European conquest the Great Lakes region included a number of centralized, hierarchical and often warring kingdoms. The battle lines of pre-colonial wars, however, were not drawn between geographically and culturally distinct "Hutu" and "Tutsi" peoples. First, shared economic, social and religious practices attest to the fact that interaction was much more frequent, peaceful and cooperative than conflictual. Second, the historical evidence makes it clear that there was at least as much conflict among competing Tutsi dynasties as between Tutsi and Hutu polities. both "clients" and "patrons" could be either Hutu or Tutsi. There were Hutu as well as Tutsi who raised cattle. A family could move from one group to the other over generations as its political and economic situation changed. The very idea of Hutu and Tutsi really came to prominence during the Belgian colonialization when these two were made particularly distinct. Before then the lines were very much a blur. Under colonial rule, first by the Germans and then by the Belgians, this hierarchical division was racialized and made more rigid. Ethnic identity cards were required, and the state discriminated in favor of Tutsi, who were considered to be closer to whites in the racial hierarchy. This was reinforced by versions of history portraying the Tutsi as a separate "Hamitic" people migrating into the region from the north and conquering the Bantu- speaking Hutu. In fact, current historical evidence is insufficent to confirm to what extent the distinction arose by migration and conquest or simply by social differentiation in response to internal economic and political developments. www.africaaction.org/bp/ethall.htmIt was in fact the Belgians, through using Tutsis to rule to region, that forced people to carry identity cards necessary in order to properly define the two. These identity cards would later be a death sentence during the genocide. Check source: books.google.com/books?id=QyzHKSCYSmsC&pg=RA1-PA314&dq=tutsi&client=firefox-a#v=onepage&q=tutsi&f=falseLook at this one as well: books.google.com/books?id=QUEamxb89JcC&pg=PA229&dq=tutsi&client=firefox-a#v=onepage&q=tutsi&f=falseThe identity of Tutsi was formed DURING Belgian rule. Until then it was a rather vague and cloudy distinction that could easily be crossed. During Belgian rule it solidified into a cultural-racial division that it had never meant prior. So yes, in all, the genocide of 1994 was in fact Europe's fault.
|
|