Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 5, 2009 6:36:04 GMT -5
Thanks...do you have any more?
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Post by engers on Aug 5, 2009 6:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by monsterofsouli on Aug 5, 2009 7:38:53 GMT -5
There was no genocide. Watch this video: If youtube say it ! WE SHOULD TRUST IT ! __________________ Really I don't like the Turks ! But they are 1.000 times better than the Armenians ! __________________ The Armenian genocide ? Approve it ! Not with youtube ! ;D And that is exactly why you are not an Arvanite. Your a Turkalbanian.
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 5, 2009 7:45:12 GMT -5
is there like a statute or a statement of intent somewhere that in order to be an arvanite you will unconditionally assume the greek propaganda to the last word and vow not to persuit the truth? is there like a committe you are a member of that screens applications on whether one meets the criteria for obtaining the status of an Arvanite?
-hate albanians -call albanians turkoalvanoi(plural enough for you arab face? you know who you are) -forget that you are an albanian, -forget that you know albanian -accept that georgios kastriotidhis is a greek -epirus is greek
...and the list of criteria goes on, am i close?
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 5, 2009 7:45:11 GMT -5
I think we are over glamorizing them by calling them Tourkoalvanoi.....We should stop.... Turks are ahead of the game and have never been really conquered by anyone.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 5, 2009 7:49:09 GMT -5
well from personal experience...when i asked a guy who's last name was " arvanitis " if he has albanian roots. He almost choked on his steak....
needless to say i felt like an A55hole....
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Post by monsterofsouli on Aug 5, 2009 7:55:00 GMT -5
Arvanitis is not another name for an Albanian. Some people here have been reading piss poor wikipedia articles about it.
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 5, 2009 7:59:50 GMT -5
^Actually Kurds did it( the dirty job)...the parallel of Arnavuds in Asia. This analogy is not that far fetched...its actually quite accurate. It is true that it was pred. Kurds that massacred and raped in Smyrna and other Greek cities and villages in 1922...of course under turkish order. It requires a lot of cold-bloodedness though to perform such actions. The Albanians might have been the European pendant to the Kurds but, despite all the criticism they deserve to get, they had never committed comparable massacres. The European Greeks were quite lucky in contrast to the "Asiatic" ones..
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 5, 2009 8:13:29 GMT -5
well from personal experience...when i asked a guy who's last name was " arvanitis " if he has albanian roots. He almost choked on his steak.... needless to say i felt like an A55hole.... was he overcome with joy then? why would you feel like an a$$hole for making an obvious connection, the fact that you made that connection proves to me what is common sense to regard arvanites as albanian, which they are, and no self loathing cvnt that denies his roots can change that fact.
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 5, 2009 8:17:30 GMT -5
You lost the Arvanitis centuries ago period. Remember we are living in the 21st century not 1500 AD.
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 5, 2009 8:20:42 GMT -5
The Arvanites themselves after living amongst Greeks for nearly 600 years FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GREEKS. They alone let their country dialect of mixed Albanian and Greek die because they chose to.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 5, 2009 8:21:15 GMT -5
<takes bite of watermelon, spits out seeds>
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 5, 2009 8:31:57 GMT -5
^Actually Kurds did it( the dirty job)...the parallel of Arnavuds in Asia. This analogy is not that far fetched...its actually quite accurate. It is true that it was pred. Kurds that massacred and raped in Smyrna and other Greek cities and villages in 1922...of course under turkish order. It requires a lot of cold-bloodedness though to perform such actions. The Albanians might have been the European pendant to the Kurds but, despite all the criticism they deserve to get, they had never committed comparable massacres. The European Greeks were quite lucky in contrast to the "Asiatic" ones.. albanians never harmed anybody and never did the bidding of the ottomans, no more or no less than any other nation under the ottoman rule, so quit fabricating utter bollox straight off greek propaganda doctrine, if we were such chums with the ottomans then why did they f*** us over and gave our territories away? left us the poorest region under their rule and virtually made no investments in albania and continued to tax us heavily? whereas greece flourished under ottoman rule, major port town became engines of the ottoman and greek progress, what does the exhange of population among the two countries tell you? you are the one who always cut deals with them. What small scale massacres did albanains commit against greeks which you seem to allude to? when did you become the victims all of the sudden when throughout your miserable history you have done nothing but subject the albanian autochtonous population of epirus to attrocities, pillaging, plundering and ethnic cleansing, your genocide is well documented and accepted, where do you get the balls to say that albanians wronged you? name one fvcking greek that was touched? one slimy rat that was harmed during communism? if anything you doubled in number, lets look at what greeks did to the arvanites shall we? burnt down all of the schools, you forbade them from speaking their native toungue in public, you killed all the arvanites that dared to speak the truth and forcibly wiped out all trace of these great albanian people that won you your independence, so gratefull the greek people huh? have you no shame making up far fetched stories and rationalising them as if there was a shred of fvcking evidence? not to mention the audacity to turn it around and make us out to be monsters when you have systematically persecuted the albanian people.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 5, 2009 8:50:34 GMT -5
The majority of Arvanites are a lost cause. The newer generation does not speak the language and the Albanian stereotypes rampant in Greece have made them weary of calling themselves Albanian. If Albania were a more prosperous country and freed itself from communism earlier, then you would see a larger identifying Arvanite group today. But unfortunately that is not the case.
For the Arvanite that feel Greek, good for them. They're descendants have been living in Greece for hundreds of years and many of them fought for it's independence. I have no problem with them identifying as Greek, as long as they do not harbor hateful prejudices against Albanians.
For those Arvanites that still hold their mother tongue and feel Albanian, I welcome those with open arms. Albanians need to salvage whatever that remains of this group!
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 5, 2009 8:58:11 GMT -5
personally i don't give a toss about them, if they don't value themselfes enough or dignify themselfes to the extent that they would take pride in who they are and where they come from then to me they are worth less than the dirt, i have no respect for anyone who denies who they are and what their roots are, that also goes for the greek minority in albania, or any other minority group for that matter.
for me its about looking at things how they are without the veil of nationalism, i am not trying to claim the arvanites as our own, i am fully aware of what they are nowdays and i have nothing in common with them but i am outraged at the utter lies and fabrications that people make up about them, call them what they are and don't make excuses.
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 5, 2009 9:01:28 GMT -5
You lost the Arvanitis centuries ago period. Remember we are living in the 21st century not 1500 AD. that's not the point, i'm not saying that they are albanian today, i'm saying that their roots are albanian and that albanians have contributed tremendously to the modern greek state, that is all, i don't give a fvck about them, its about you twisting and skewing history, whether you like it or not they are of albanian stock, that is the truth.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 5, 2009 9:08:10 GMT -5
Lib, we both say the same thing but have different approaches to it. You say the albanians contributed to the greek state. We say that even if they were albanians, their soul and belief were for the cause of hellenism. So how can we deny them that right ? They shed blood for our country, so we cannot deny them their sacrifice. I call them albanian would not be fair to them.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 5, 2009 9:09:06 GMT -5
but i am outraged at the utter lies and fabrications that people make up about them, call them what they are and don't make excuses. I agree. This along with the deep hatred some of them feel about Albanians annoys me. It's funny because I've never heard of these type of hatred from the Arberesh or the Arnavut, and I think it has to do with the Greek stereotypes about Albanians. The Arvanite have bought into them and many do not want anything to do with Albanians because of it. They do not want to associate with the poor, human trafficking, drug dealers, because they associate these things with being Albanian.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 5, 2009 9:11:16 GMT -5
they associate "albanian" with ottoman collabroters and muslims.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 5, 2009 9:11:40 GMT -5
you guys did it to yourselves...you give us too much credit
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