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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 14:42:28 GMT -5
For me he is a figure of history, not some god-like creature the era of which i need to copy to feel adequate. I dont see how Albanian-Turkish brotherhood somehow means I cant admire the historical figures of my nation. He was a man of his time, not of today. Today Albanians and Turks are brothers. Do the Albanians in the video not have identity either? What about the store owners who put Turkish flags next to their Albanian ones to signify brotherhood? Or the Albanians celebrating the arrival of their brothers? Lol. Your the pathetic one, living in mythology and history rather than reality. Ask the average Albanian in Tirana how he feels about turkey and youll feel very very alone. Oh and Bato, what about this: What does that mean to you?
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Post by bato2 on Aug 3, 2009 14:52:17 GMT -5
^ Turkish ar$$e lickers will be all time, I don't care i am Albanian and i hate Turks, they kept us in slavery for 500 years That building is just a ugly replica of what they left behind. Was many brave patriots to fight Ottoman hordes so you can speak Albanian today, but is to bad because you don't deserve to speak Albanian! I give you some taste of yr ancestors
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 15:09:30 GMT -5
^^ relax, I didnt call you kaur... dont make me do it.
Ill happily tell you that Cerciz Topulli never wanted a totally independent Albania in the beginning, just autonomy and cultural rights. I have posted facts about that a lot of times, he even joined the committee created by Niyazi Bey (an Albanian from Monastir) into an declaration that attacked Turks for not being loyal to the Ottoman system... and that Albanians were so far the only ones carrying the Ottoman responsibilities seriously.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 3, 2009 15:09:54 GMT -5
do ta nxjeri ndonjeri kete bythqirin qe ketu apo jemi duke humbur kohen duke u zene me greket e serbet ketu? eshte e pamundur te mbrosh nje teze apo te paraqesesh nje argument kur ky bythqiri del kundra c'do gjeje qe ne si shqiptar perfaqesojme edhe perpiqemi te shfaqim, ky djal kurv eshte anti vlera , me shume na ben dem sesa jep ndonje kontribut, e vetmja arsye qe lejohet te qendroje eshte sepse eshte arma me efikase kundra shqiptareve qe perdoret nga ata kurvat grek, shporreni ketu shkerdhat muti se na ka care trapin!
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 15:13:26 GMT -5
LOL Pse? Fjalet e mija te friksojn? Arma me a forte te grekve kunder Shqiptaret eshte ijnorance dhe urrejta ndaj vllezerve tone Turk qe na kan dhen kaq shume ndim... arma me ekifase jan kauret.... Edhe sdo shkoj asgjikund.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 15:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 3, 2009 15:28:04 GMT -5
fjalet e tua s'me ferkojne lafshen e k**** mua e more vesh ti? po grek je i ketu, ik shplaj gjakun njehere, se ke genin e zvarranikut, ortodokset e katoliket kane qene patriot e atdhetar po aq sa muslimanet e bektashinjte edhe nuk pare dallime vllazerore midis njeri tjetrit por kane qene bashke dhe eshte esenca e te qenurit shqiptar, pra mos dallimi, barazia dhe harmonia fetare, kombi gjuha dhe traditat perpara te gjithave, kurse ti vellezer ke turqit edhe ketej na e mbron skenderbeun me fanatizem, por ti je nga ata bythqira qe e urrejne skenderbeun.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 15:38:07 GMT -5
Behave, Here is Albanian Forum, keep your feelings for Turkey to yourself! I don't have anything with modern Turks, my hate is for Fillthy Ottomans. They kept us in slavery for 500 years but people like you were born to be slaves, people like you licked their ar$$es to survive tho the rest was fighting against the invaders. If they were all people like you, we would speak Turiksh today. |
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Post by terroreign on Aug 3, 2009 15:53:26 GMT -5
If melty lived in the ottoman times he would definitely be Ali Pasha
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 15:56:57 GMT -5
The oven is heating up krivo, it will be ready in a min.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 3, 2009 16:22:26 GMT -5
Un sfilova me sharje, bato filoj. Edhe sa per ortodokset, tregohet vet realiteti kur sot tre cereku e ortodokseve jane ne greqi duhet kerkuar letrat omogenis. ske pse pergjitheson, meru me individin e jo me te krishteret, mos fol per gjera qe nuk i di ne brendesi, po shqiptaret musliman qe nga myfti e bejne emrin jani? keta c'fare jane? hallexjinj jane si te gjithe e kane bere per interes, jo te gjithe jane rrit me luge floriri si ti, skane lind te gjith qelepir, kur te ze halli do i thuash derrit daje, mos bej si femij naiv qe kapesh me teknikalitete, nuk i do njeri greket, s'ka te beje me fene, s'ka patur kurre te bej me fene, pse nuk u bashkuan te krishteret ne lufterat ballkanike kur greket marshuan deri ne brendesi? perse shkollat e para u hapen aty ku kishte perqendrim me shume ortodoks? perse ortodokset kerkuan me kembengulje te kishin ungjillin e shkruar ne shqip, meshat te beheshin ne shqip dhe kisha te ishte autoqefale? nuk ka te beje feja. po c'mut 3/4 thua? ku i gjen keto statistika ti? do nuk do ti turqit i kemi armiq historike, na intereson ti kemi miq edhe mire ashtu, por s'mun dte mohohet qe na kane pire gjakun, na katandisen si varfanjak ne ballkan, ku i gjetem vellezer ne ata? ata me ne lozen poker, tallen bythen, na ndane si kafshate mes hijenave. skenderbeu eshte perendi per ne, por ti se kupton, sepse eshte boshti identitetit tone, de-mitizimi i tij eshte shthurje e identitetit, c'fare e bashkon nje komb? gjuha, historia dhe traditat, nga te 3-ja keto vetem pa historine nuk ben dot, pamvaresisht se ti ke nje opinion me pragmatist ai eshte pjese e ndergjegjes tone dhe epiqendra, te cenosh figuren e tij do te thote shkermoqje e berthames, jane keto vlera qe na mbajten gjalle dhe na bene te mbijetojme se do ishim si vlleh apo do ishim zhdukur si thraket, skenderbeu nga shqiptaret nuk duhet kurre trajtuar thjesht si nje kapitull ne historine tone. kush ti tha ty keto? gjyshi jot kur drithte tespijet? nga i gjen keto informacione? rendesi ka se si trajtohej figura e tij nga elita se ata mbajne gjall vlerat intelektuale te nje kombi, katunaret apo atyre bujqeve, qe yt gjysh u pinte gjakun per ate cop toke, nuk kishin kohe apo aq nivel te mereshin me politike
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 3, 2009 17:13:24 GMT -5
Well said,Libo....
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 17:21:17 GMT -5
Shko ne korce, ose neper fshatrat ortodokse te jugut dhe shikoje per veten tende. Ku te gjith i kan cuar femite e tyre neper shkollat greke te himares. Mos shiko vetem ne fier, por deri ne gjirokaster (sidomos ktej, ku jan tamam ne 'vorio epir'). Ne fund te fundit, ortodokset skan dhen aq shume per shtetin shqiptare... per kundrasi, shume prej kte grup kan qen, dhe akoma jan, afruar me greket. Si mund te shpjegosh asimilimin qe ka ndodhur ne jug (suljotet etj). Un tani spo flas per elitet dhe dijetaret, por per fshtaret dhe katundaret.
Kur? Pervec kohes te skenderbeut, kur kan qen shqiptaret dhe turqet 'armiq'? Me trego? Gjat perjudhes osmane, kur elita ne stamboll ishte 50% shqiptare me origjin? Kur shqiptaret dolen me mijera ne prishtine me pa sultanin ne vitin 1908? Kur Shqiptaret luftuan me turqet ne Shkoder ose Komanove gjat luftes balkanike? Kur shqiptaret ishin merceneret me te perdorur neper perendorine? Kur Shqiptaret ne lidhjen e Prizrenit i dhan Sultanit fjale se nuk deshen ndarje me Stambollin?
Miti edhte nje gje, por si e kemi ber ne skenderbeun nuk krahasohet me asnje mit ne bote, pervec ato te bibles dhe kuranit... E kemi bere figuren e tij sikur ishte nje politikane te kohes se rilindjes. Sikur nuk ishte nje figure te mesjetes, por ne te perjudhes "nation-state".
Edhe qe koha e miteve ka hikur. Shqiptaret kan akoma nje mentalitet te shekullit 19.
Skenderbeu u be prap nje figure te kombetarizmit Shqiptare kur Sami Frasheri beri nje liber me figurat te renda te Shqiptarve. Shumica ishin figura Osmane, si Sinan Pasha, etj. Ne kte liste, Skenderbeu mori nje pjese te madhe si nje renegat bektashi. Kjo ishte permendja e pare te skenderbeut qekur vitin 1480. Kjo liber u botua ne vitin 1880. Shqiptaret neper qytetet dhe fshatet te Shqiperise as nuk mbanin mend kryengritjen kunder osmanet. Malsoret e mbanin mend njecik, por miti i skenderbeut erdhi nga arberesht (si flamuri qe kemi ne sot). Arbereshet shkuan ne Malsi dhe i treguan katoliket per veprimet e skenderbeut.
Kjo tregon se identiteti shqiptare ne at kohe ishte konkretisht asimiluar ne shtetin osmane.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 3, 2009 17:32:28 GMT -5
Albanians in Turkey are mostly Istanbul (Zeytinburnu and Bajram Pasha... are full Albanians), Bursa and Anadolu (Central Turkey....there are alot village with 100% albanian speaking even kids dont know turkish)
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 17:34:17 GMT -5
Thats amazing. Its rare for the kids to speak Albanian let alone perfectly... Thanks Prijes.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 4, 2009 7:31:07 GMT -5
I believe the mayor of Izmir is also of Albanian descent from Prishtina.
Honestly we Albanians are too clannish at times when it comes to these matters. We are nation around 4 million within the border, and the majority live outside. If people feel Albanian, then we should be accepting because we are too small of a group to discriminate against our own. Divisive mentality will only lead to alienation of groups and possibly assimilation.
I know in Macedonia there are a group of Albanians that go by the name "Baqishk." This group recognize their Albanian descent, yet, only speak Macedonian (like many Torbesh.) Instead of the Albanians trying to integrate this group back into Albanian society, we ridicule them and make fun of their attempt to speak Albanian and label them as outcasts.
It's this type of mentality that annoys me!
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 4, 2009 7:33:20 GMT -5
I believe the mayor of Izmir is also of Albanian descent from Prishtina. Poor Smyrne...a Kosovar mayor.... ...how much will these budalas humiliate this beautiful city...
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 4, 2009 8:04:42 GMT -5
I believe the mayor of Izmir is also of Albanian descent from Prishtina. Poor Smyrne...a Kosovar mayor.... ...how much will these budalas humiliate this beautiful city... Imagine how we feel about Chameria and Monastir.
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Post by mpuq on Nov 18, 2009 5:53:49 GMT -5
kta jon shqipe n'Turqi:
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Post by mpuq on Nov 18, 2009 5:54:29 GMT -5
shqipet n'Turqi zakonisht jon shum patriota veq shumica nuk i din 2 fjal shqip!!!!!mah..
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