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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 11, 2009 21:35:31 GMT -5
Hello everybody! I read these forums a lot and have for a while now. I occasionally wright in the forums but mostly i enjoy reading them. This topic i have started is out of genuine interest in the subject and not to start a intesgating thread. I was reading Wikipedia (i know) but it had some interesting things about DNA and haplogroups and it had most of the prominent ethnicity in the world but mostly European ethnicity and it was showing which haplogroups were most visible in which ethnicties. This is the website i was looking at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groupsI am completely ignorant on the subject but what i could decipher from the chart indicated that kosovar Albanians had around 40% of them had the "berber" gene (an ethnic group from Morroco not barbers if you speak albanian you know what i mean) and 27% of albanians from Albania had the J gene which is common of the people from the Arabian peninsula. Which was very interesting and to tell you the truth not shocking bieng that we have bean ruled by the ottomans for 500 years and albania as the only muslim province in the balkans i can imgaine other muslims from africa and arabia finding there way into albania at that time. Could someone with better knowledge on the subject of albanian genes or DNA in general specifically when refering to Haplogroups provide some feedback. thank you
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 11, 2009 22:17:56 GMT -5
I'm not so sure myself.
Surely there were others from the region who settled,passed through etc
But I think for that to happen that its part of Alba-DNA it has to be somewhat significant.I never hear of any significant settlement of people from there to Albanialand
Who knows? This could have a random one and they got a descendant of some Arab,NA,traveller or merchant or whatever descendants DNA
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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 11, 2009 23:02:08 GMT -5
Its also interesting how Irish, welsh, Scots English Portuguese Spanish basque have really high levels of this gene R1b 50% to 90% which means these people are related we knew the people of the British isles were the same but it looks like they are also brothers with Spanish and Portuguese.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 11, 2009 23:09:50 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 12, 2009 1:03:37 GMT -5
Albpatriot , about berber that you mean (stupid one) is diffirent from Albanians or Balcan...they have E3b-V21 while Albanians/Balcan/Europeans E3b-V13...E-V13 in balcan lived at least 13.000 years...plus Berbers are not native from there, they camed from Europe or Anatolia.
about J...arabs have diffirent too which is J1 (considerated hebrew gene) while Europeans (Albanians too) have J2 (mostly subclades J2-M102 and J2-M12) which is Neolithic genes who lived in Balcan at least 7000 years.
E-V13 and J2-M102 were who gived rise of Europe from Greece to Rome.
Se ju talebanet keshtu keni qef, lexo para se te shkruash kot qesharak plus e mban nickun patriot ma mire ta kishe bo para saj teleban .
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 12, 2009 2:29:12 GMT -5
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Post by mendor on Jul 12, 2009 3:32:03 GMT -5
Haha je i madh Dardan ;D
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Post by bato2 on Jul 12, 2009 5:54:21 GMT -5
Vikipedia is not a reliable source, everyone can writte whatever cr@p comes in his mind there
There is a reliable source Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations. Belledi M, Poloni ES, Casalotti R, Conterio F, Mikerezi I, Tagliavini J, Excoffier L. Dipartimento di Biologia Evolutiva e Funzionale, Università di Parma, Italy. belledi@irisbioc.bio.unipr.it Mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequences and Y chromosome haplotypes (DYS19 STR and YAP) were characterised in an Albanian sample and compared with those of several other Indo-European populations from the European continent. No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically. We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics, even though slightly more significant for the Y chromosome than for mtDNA. Altogether, our results show that the linguistic structure of continental Indo-European populations is not reflected in the variability of the mitochondrial and Y chromosome markers. This discrepancy could be due to very recent differentiation of Indo-European populations in Europe and/or substantial amounts of gene flow among these populations. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10909846
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Post by Aris on Jul 12, 2009 9:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by ilirdardani on Jul 12, 2009 9:12:29 GMT -5
Albanians = first inhabitants of Balkans
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 12, 2009 11:00:45 GMT -5
A bunch of ignorants talking about genetics. You are all clueless...the sad thing is some of you are saying there is a connection between Berbers and Albanians and immediately they are comparing Berbers and Albanians and they are saying the Berber looks Albanian... But its a good example of how ignorant people can make wrong conclusions which are magnified then to a whole network of lies and pseudoscience...but on which you are basing then your whole identity...at the expense of the others of course...and the truth in the end. Albanians...Skopjans...you 1990 come into being-peoples are the same s.hit in this field.
Let me tell you what it is all about...I cant repeat it often enough...there is no direct connection between a haplogroup (the link posted shows haplogroups) and a nation. Haplogroups developed about 20.000 years ago in average...at this time no nations and ethnicities were existing. In those primitive times the members of the haplogroups started to migrate....Haplogroup E developed in Africa (Ethiopia)..and the members of it spread into Europe in the course of time...today there are living many E members around the mediterranean sea..but especially the Balkans...
Important for distingusihing peoples from each other are the mutations of the Y-markers. I very much doubt that there is any closer genetical relationship between Berbers and Albanians....the E-Albanians might share the same ancestor with some Berber...but this ancestor lived about 20.000 years ago or more. We are talking about primitive times here...neither modern Albanians nor Illyrians nor Greeks nor whatever else...at this time our ancestors looked more like apes...than modern humans.
And something else...the results show very well that Albanians are neither from Caucasus...but nor sth special in comparison to other Balkanians. In fact...talking about haplgoroups alone (with all the aboved called restrictions on what haplgoroups are !!!)...we are more or less the same.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 12, 2009 11:06:38 GMT -5
genetics is a failed science which proves fvck all conclusively
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Jul 12, 2009 12:49:27 GMT -5
Albanians = first inhabitants of Balkans Alb-Illyrians are inhabitants of Pelasgians which those are descendants of Mysians. (Mysi) Pelasgian is albanian word which that means Albanians are Star People. Video, Pelasgian=Pe Asgian Asgonet=Albanians Star People !!!!!
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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 12, 2009 13:29:06 GMT -5
Modern humans have the same brain they had 100,000 years ago. We did not look like APES 20 OR 30,000 YEARS AGO modern humans came into exxcisitnce in africa around 100 thousand years ago and migrated so by 20,000 years ago they probly looked like modern europeans excpet eye color which is a realtively new thing so if we talk about haplogroups that is the group that you broke off and came to the balkans rom which is pretty close in relative terms 20,000 years.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 12, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -5
lol surely not. An Indian...a Russian...same haplogroup...R1a1..do they look the same? Hardly...
The European look developed in a time where haplogroups did exist already for thousands of years...and regarding Y-DNA haplogroups...there is not one whose origins are in Europe...not one!
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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 12, 2009 16:37:24 GMT -5
I never said any body had origins in Europe i was saying to which other ethnic groups, certain European ethnic groups were related too more.
And yes 'lab fier' genes do show that humans will fvck anybody and everybody.
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Post by alb12345 on Jul 12, 2009 17:02:45 GMT -5
albpatriot18 cfare topiku ke nis bravo patriot i vertete je meqe na krahasove me berberet e afrikes me mire do ishte te benim 1 krasim me nigerjanet ose ganjanet se jane komshi te berbereve. lol
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 12, 2009 20:43:49 GMT -5
This reminds me of the earthquake that happened around 20 years ago in Turkey... The Swedes wanted to help by having some of the injured Turks flown to Sweden to give them blood transfusions.One Turk cabinet minister stopped it saying they will unravel the special Turk dna...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 12, 2009 21:00:10 GMT -5
WTF? Do you even know what Albanians look like? The only thing in common with some typical Albanian in Tirana this guy has is that he looks poor...
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Post by albpatriot18 on Jul 12, 2009 23:53:25 GMT -5
Have you been to Albania because if you have you know im not wrong. Of course he doesn't look like everybody there but if you go to the villages there are very many people that look very similar to him no doubt about that.
Still i was wondering if anybody had anymore knowledge on this subject and could elaborate further.
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