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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 2:37:27 GMT -5
Because you knew prior that she was. High cheekbones, small eyes... all the evidence is there though. Albanians and Serbs look on the whole 75% similar. To the point where most people can barely tell the difference. Our differences are not racially based, they are ethno-political. That is it. In fact, had it not been for the political ethnic troubles, we would be quite suitable for friendship and close relations. As well as with other Yugoslavs. Two Yugoslavs I know: You can find women who look like her all over Albania. Then you dont know many Bosnians. They are just like Serbs. To the teeth. No different in terms of racial characteristics. They are generally tall and built like Serbs.
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Post by engers on Jun 15, 2009 2:38:10 GMT -5
They can go f**k themselves. They have MORE than enough autonomy. fcuk you stinky serv
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 2:41:29 GMT -5
It's easy to find non-Slav looking Yugoslavs. Keep in mind many of the Yugoslavs are mixed. Croats have high Austrian blood. Bosnian Serbs have high Vlach genes. Montenegrin have Malesori genes. The similarities only exist because of that.
Because you knew prior that she was
No. It was truly my first guess.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 2:47:19 GMT -5
Our differences are not racially based, they are ethno-political.
Unfortunately for you, our differences are racially based as well. They are Slavs; we are Albanians. If anything being closer to the Greeks and native to the Balkans we have more similarities with them. Again i repeat, I don't mean modern Greeks which have diverged a lot and look darker than Albs. There's an explanation for that. Massive migration from Asia-minor.
The idea that we are closer to the Serbs comes from romantic notions to get "as far" away from the Greeks. Which are characterized as short, fat and dark.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 3:19:09 GMT -5
i have bosnian friends, i know serbian people, i have friends of mixed serbian/bosnian background, i know croatians and slovenians and they look nothing like us, that's a bit of a strong statement, i'd say that partially they look like us, you can find the odd one that looks like us but albanians do differ dramatically in many instances, we look way more mediterranian and we do not have the round features slavs have.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 3:23:07 GMT -5
Exactly. Partially of course. We live in a similar region side by side for a few hundred years. But we can say the same for the Greeks. We look partially like them...
I say Albanians are unique in their own ways. That we look 75% like Serbs is bullchit. Which should make us look very much like Russians. Cause that's what they basically are, Russians living in a Balkan environment for several hundred years. Mixed with Vlachs, Germans, Austrians, Gypsies and Hungarians...
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 3:30:36 GMT -5
75%?? that's an outrageous statement to make, we come close to looking like a lot of neighbouring countries, i can see a lot of similarities with greeks and italians but we still have our own distinctiveness, for example my friends in italy have competely blended in, you couldn't tell them apart from italians, they wear those tight armani T-shirts, they grow those funky looking beards and when they talk they have this italian flavor which i can't stand, in many cases its the demenour that sets people apart rather than looks...it pains me to say it, but how do you tell apart an albanian form a greek really in 50% of cases?
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 3:32:52 GMT -5
A lot of Albanians have square heads [for most parts] and defined sharp features. ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 15, 2009 3:41:07 GMT -5
A lot of Albanians have square heads [for most parts] and defined sharp features. ;D Like this ? ;D
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Post by rusebg on Jun 15, 2009 3:43:40 GMT -5
Fvcking hell!!! that's why they can dance with a full glass on their heads... ;D
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 3:52:16 GMT -5
it comes in handy
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 4:03:25 GMT -5
Ask someone who is not Albanian if Serbs and Albanians look different... they will say no. I have been the but of numerous jokes among several students in my school for what Kovacevic did, many just cannot see the difference between me and him. On other occassions I, and numerous other friends I have, have been randomly asked if we are from Serbia. I come from southern Albania, Kolonja... there is little chance of me being of Slavic heritage or even Serb one. My zone is historically mixed with Vlachs and some Greeks (very very limited scale in Kolonja since we never had any such real community). How can I possibly be similar to Serbs under such circumstances? Well, because we general look alike. Compare Berisha with other Serb politicians. Even Meisiu.
There are significant and strong differences, but on the whole our people are closer to them racially than to our southern neighbor.... far far closer. Albanians and Greeks look nothing alike, nothing. Albanians with Yugoslavs very very much so. This is well accepted.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 4:12:29 GMT -5
LOL. You definately do not look like Kovacevic. Wanting to be him is different from looking like him. Kovacevic looks like Ana's brother. You still have a baby face. You look like this?
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 4:15:37 GMT -5
you're basing this whole racial comparison on your own example?
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 4:17:18 GMT -5
Looks more like StankoisaSerb with the cigar
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 4:18:42 GMT -5
but like you've said, you're not a good example perhaps, what with so much intermixing in your past...you may not be albanian after all, so bad example.
speaking as a thorough bred albo, yea we do look mediterranian, we do look like greeks and italians alike, you and i might not like it, but we have mediterranian features not slavic, you might not like to accept that but its how it is.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 4:39:29 GMT -5
He was/is the way he looked: a beast. I despised before what he did, despise him even more after it. He acted no better than the blacks on the team, but played 10x because of his bulky unbasketball-like size. I have no interest in walking like a gorilla, or looking like one. But others around me also see me as tall person whose origin cannot be altogether differentiated from his. Thats what Im saying, we notice the diff. better than others do. I can easily point point out the diff between a Serb/Macedonian and an Albanian, easily, and so can they. But to outisiders (even Balkanians) the issue becomes complex.
I have been to parts of Serbia and in Montenegro, plus Ive seen numerous Bosniacs around, they look very very similar to Albanians.
Im not talking about the pointable mixtures within my own family, but those that occurred in distant past when records were more scant or before the formation of your modern family/ethnic identity. If your Orthodox Christian from southern Albania, especially Fier, you could very very easily have Vlach in your blood and you wont know it because it has been assimilated family wise. If your Orthodox Christian from an area with lots of Greeks, you could easily have mixed with them in distant past but today you would not be aware of it since your family's collective memory did not go so far back.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 15, 2009 4:48:49 GMT -5
Meltdown is right. Thats what Im saying for years now. Typical Albanian faces and typical Serb faces look alike. I guess its the Illyrian genes. On the other hand there are many albanians that have a Greek look as well but we do not consider it to be typical albanian look. Bulgarians look usually either very much mediterranean....(but other than Greek look)...or original slavic....polish....russian...exactly the same goes for the Skopjans....while the Skopjans have a higher number on Greek looking people, too. Btw....I would welcome a federation within fyrom a lot. Go Albanians.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 5:14:15 GMT -5
Im not talking about the pointable mixtures within my own family, but those that occurred in distant past when records were more scant or before the formation of your modern family/ethnic identity. If your Orthodox Christian from southern Albania, especially Fier, you could very very easily have Vlach in your blood and you wont know it because it has been assimilated family wise. If your Orthodox Christian from an area with lots of Greeks, you could easily have mixed with them in distant past but today you would not be aware of it since your family's collective memory did not go so far back.
on the whole, it has to be said, albanians are among one of the most 'pure' countries in the balcans, i can only go by recent memory and the way the older generation regarded themselves as and they way they spoke abut different communities in the area and i can say with almost certainty that there has not been any mixing...nowdays its a different story, i have cousins that marry into vlach communities and don't even realise these differences because the conciousness and identity is almost unified and assimilation is inevitable.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Jun 15, 2009 5:32:59 GMT -5
Lirie Berisha has a Serbian mother. Well, had, given that she rot in jail for being an UDB agent
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