|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 4, 2009 20:13:22 GMT -5
Demosthenes Moderator * member is offline
[avatar]
[send pm]
Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 613 Location: U.S.A. Karma: -97 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Macedonia - More than a name. « Reply #262 Today at 2:50am » "radiate It would be beneficial for you to stop TROLLING and go over the facts carefully on this topic, the evidence is over whelming. You should try it "educating your self" for a
"radiate It would be beneficial for you to stop TROLLING and go over the facts carefully on this topic, the evidence is over whelming. You should try it "educating your self" for a change.
Why do you believe Radiate is trolling? Radiate is asking quite sensible and intelligent questions.
Tell me, is this why you believe Radiate is trolling?:
"These questions you pose are all completely irrelevant to us Greeks."
...which means that you are saying Greeks do not have an open mind for discussion. Speak for yourself, please.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 4, 2009 20:17:03 GMT -5
Let's keep the other topic clean ok, now who the fvck are you I speak for almost 2.8 Million Greek Macedonians and you are who ? to dictate rather then counter our arguments perhaps ?!
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 5, 2009 7:42:08 GMT -5
Let's keep the other topic clean ok, now who the fvck are you I speak for almost 2.8 Million Greek Macedonians and you are who ? to dictate rather then counter our arguments perhaps ?! You do not speak for 2.8 million Greeks. You speak for one, yourself. Trust me, you are very insignificant.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 5, 2009 8:13:24 GMT -5
Let's see how this goes.
The below posts were made by "Radiate":
Wow , thirteen pages of madness. Its just a name ascribed to a land mass fundamentally no different than the 'Grand Canyon' to describe a deep valley in the earth. What objective truth is there in the 'virtue' of the Macedonian name?
You didn't answer my question. So what if its derived from the Greek language? What is objective that makes 'Macedonian' virtous? How is it fundamentally any different than calling physical land 'Grand Canyon' or the 'Aegean Sea?' I don't see what there is to fight over.
English, for example , has borrowed many words from Greek , Latin , German , etc. Does something called 'Greek' have property rights over part of the English language and does it give you the right to intiate force to prevent someone from using Greek rooted words that isn't 'Greek?'
And you responded with:
radiate It would be beneficial for you to stop TROLLING and go over the facts carefully on this topic, the evidence is over whelming. You should try it "educating your self" for a change.
What is plain in your post is that:
1. No other views are acceptable but your view or the Greek view. Therefore, in your forum with you as moderator, it is a lose/lose situation for anyone that wants to have a discussion here.
2. Your accusation of Radiate trolling is ad hominem. Radiate asked good questions about the subject matter, which are questions that go against your views, therefore you have a problem with Radiate, so his questions are trolling. His questions were not provoking, not inflammatory, and surely not irrelevant.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 5, 2009 9:17:21 GMT -5
Your childish actions here describes you to a tee, what happened to all the posts at the Fyromian network54 forum in the past ? Majority of them not agreeing with your views were deleted one stage some hundreds of topics in one session !!!. And would you by chance have been the one who deleted the entire Greek network54 forum a few years ago when you were a Greek Mod by fooling the owner “AAdmin into believing you were a Greek”? Judging from your temperament on here I wouldn’t be surprised ! You have anger management problems. But thanks to you I was made a Mod after you got demoted. That felt good now that I got it out since you got personal, I decided do to also for the last time "personal wise". Wish you luck and a good life dude...
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 5, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
True. In the past, I was a terrible forum person. It was very difficult dealing with so many idiots in one place. As far as that forum deletion, I never did stoop that low. But I wonder about the person here that continues to ask this question. I also had never deleted any subjects that went against my views. My problem was the idiots surrounding me here, not views and opinions. It was extremely difficult in dealing with so many hypocrites.
I have mutated into a better person here on these forums. I have learned to deal with the vast amounts of ignorance much better.
If you doubt that I am a better person here, then all I ask is to watch very carefully, and learn.
So, you now do not want to talk about Radiate's posts?
Καληνύχτα, φίλε μου.
|
|
|
Post by chalkedon on Oct 6, 2009 4:41:17 GMT -5
Let's see how this goes. The below posts were made by "Radiate": Wow , thirteen pages of madness. Its just a name ascribed to a land mass fundamentally no different than the 'Grand Canyon' to describe a deep valley in the earth. What objective truth is there in the 'virtue' of the Macedonian name?You didn't answer my question. So what if its derived from the Greek language? What is objective that makes 'Macedonian' virtous? How is it fundamentally any different than calling physical land 'Grand Canyon' or the 'Aegean Sea?' I don't see what there is to fight over.English, for example , has borrowed many words from Greek , Latin , German , etc. Does something called 'Greek' have property rights over part of the English language and does it give you the right to intiate force to prevent someone from using Greek rooted words that isn't 'Greek?'Arxilleas is right...that was trollilng. Those questions she's asked have been answered a million times. Stop beating on a dead horse already.... Ok...lets see what " radiate " wants answered... Wow , thirteen pages of madness. Its just a name ascribed to a land mass fundamentally no different than the 'Grand Canyon' to describe a deep valley in the earth. What objective truth is there in the 'virtue' of the Macedonian name?None ! but when your trying to monopolize the name for self interests and building statues all over the place then it starts to become more than a name...doesnt it ? You didn't answer my question. So what if its derived from the Greek language? What is objective that makes 'Macedonian' virtous? How is it fundamentally any different than calling physical land 'Grand Canyon' or the 'Aegean Sea?' I don't see what there is to fight over.You dont see what there is to fight over ? See the above post. There are 2.5 million macs in northern greece that do not identify with the slav neighbors to the north. What are we supposed to do ? Suppress their identity for yours ? English, for example , has borrowed many words from Greek , Latin , German , etc. Does something called 'Greek' have property rights over part of the English language and does it give you the right to intiate force to prevent someone from using Greek rooted words that isn't 'Greek?'WTF is this supposed to mean above ? I swear skopians are getting dumber by the minute.....
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 6, 2009 6:34:37 GMT -5
It is quite apparent that Arxileas split this thread so he may address me with this issue. So, Chalkedon, with all due respect, after this post, I will only answer him alone.
You say "Arxilleas is right...that was trollilng. Those questions she's asked have been answered a million times. Stop beating on a dead horse already....'
So, by your definition, all the repeat questions that we get on my forum from you guys, including all those repeat questions concerning me and my family, are acts of trolling. Yet I do not cry about it. You can do better, but please, through Arxileas.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 6, 2009 6:58:28 GMT -5
Arxileas, here is an example of trolling: "Pyrros Moderator * member is online
[avatar]
Grk Dobrovoljac
[send pm]
|
|
|
Post by chalkedon on Oct 6, 2009 7:00:21 GMT -5
whatever Demo...
Advocating a split withing greek society is something that will not go unanswered. If you feel "ethnic" about macedonia...thats fine. We are not here to cure schizophrenia...on the other hand trying to force down our throats a non-existant group of ppl based on your delusions is to much to swallow at times.
you may proceed....
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 6, 2009 7:12:35 GMT -5
Arxileas, here the definition of trolling:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion."
Here is some information on labeling trolls:
"The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem. When appropriately applied to purposefully disruptive online behavior, the word troll economically converts an abstract code of online manners into a concrete image.
Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that may be incorrect. Regardless of the writer's motives, controversial posts are likely to attract a corrective or patronizing or outraged response by those who do not distinguish between real physical community (where people are actually exposed to some shared risk of bodily harm by their actions), and epistemic community (based on a mere exchange of words and ideas). Customs of discourse, or etiquette, originating in physical communities are often applied naively to online discourse by newcomers who are not used to the range of views expressed online, often anonymously. Hence, both users and posts are commonly, and sometimes inaccurately, labelled as trolls when their content upsets people — ironically, the accusatory labeling of a troll may be more disruptive than the original alleged offense itself. Also, people may be more inclined to use epithets like troll in online public discussion than they would be in person, because online forums may seem more impersonal."
As stated above: "ironically, the accusatory labeling of a troll may be more disruptive than the original alleged offense itself."
This is why I bring this up. Constantly labeling people as trolls because someone gets upset at some questions or views is DISRUPTIVE and worse than the alleged offense.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 6, 2009 7:22:37 GMT -5
Arxileas, here the definition of trolling:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion."
Here is some information on labeling trolls:
"The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem. When appropriately applied to purposefully disruptive online behavior, the word troll economically converts an abstract code of online manners into a concrete image.
Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that may be incorrect. Regardless of the writer's motives, controversial posts are likely to attract a corrective or patronizing or outraged response by those who do not distinguish between real physical community (where people are actually exposed to some shared risk of bodily harm by their actions), and epistemic community (based on a mere exchange of words and ideas). Customs of discourse, or etiquette, originating in physical communities are often applied naively to online discourse by newcomers who are not used to the range of views expressed online, often anonymously. Hence, both users and posts are commonly, and sometimes inaccurately, labelled as trolls when their content upsets people — ironically, the accusatory labeling of a troll may be more disruptive than the original alleged offense itself. Also, people may be more inclined to use epithets like troll in online public discussion than they would be in person, because online forums may seem more impersonal."
As stated above: "ironically, the accusatory labeling of a troll may be more disruptive than the original alleged offense itself."
This is why I bring this up. Constantly labeling people as trolls because someone gets upset at some questions or views is DISRUPTIVE and worse than the alleged offense. Yeah isn't that what you are doing ! Replying to a post that happened more then a year ago !!! I asked you who the f**ck are you, in other words go to your own corner and dictate over there NOT in our house YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO DICTATE TO US ON HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE NO ADMIN and if you don't like it go to Aadmin and cry over an incident that happened more then a year ago and try explaining how that isn't Trolling in your part in order to disrupt our threads.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 6, 2009 7:23:53 GMT -5
Here is the date if you didn't see it;
Sept 19, 2008
Now it's 6/10/2009
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 6, 2009 7:39:58 GMT -5
I split this thread in order to let you"kseskasi" "to let it out, meaning to get it out what ever was in your mind" as we say in Greek. I can understand to some degree sometimes people have personal issues and put it with others in order to vent their frustrations.
This tread will be moved shortly.
.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 6, 2009 8:01:06 GMT -5
Well, I guess I should have been wearing my glasses. Look at that. I thought the year was 2009. Sorry for the delay in responding to your Sept 19, 2008 post. I will try to wear my glasses more often.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2009 6:18:09 GMT -5
It happens when one is stressed out We reserve the right to remove your posts without warning as of now. You have been informed in here so you are in the know.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 9, 2009 6:31:17 GMT -5
No, my friend. Stress for me is when I am working in a hot spot. I just need to use my glasses more often. It seems that I am fighting the change in my vision and do not like wearing reading glasses.
Thanks for being concerned.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 9, 2009 6:32:26 GMT -5
It happens when one is stressed out We reserve the right to remove your posts without warning as of now. You have been informed in here so you are in the know. If my posts breaks the rules, I would understand. That would be the only reason that my posts would be edited or deleted, I assure you. Of course, any posts from anyone that is made on my forum that Breaks the Rules will be dealt with appropriately. I can not make the same statement as you because your comment indicates that all posts made by me is subject to removal without warning. So taking your comment into consideration, I would say that you are stressed out yourself. ;D Now please move this split thread to the appropriate forum, like the forum criticism forum. We can continue there.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Oct 12, 2009 21:45:14 GMT -5
I find your signature highly provocative hence why the warnings.
Moved.
|
|
|
Post by macmako on Oct 12, 2009 22:40:09 GMT -5
Opinion duly noted.
"(Addition C to this rule and others bellow concerns; - What can not be considered as provocative. Usage (for example) of internationally recognized national flags, internationally recognized national symbols and the alike can not be deemed as provocative. By 'recognized' I mean accepted, allowed and or permitted internationally. What can be deemed as provocative is usage of extremist and or hate based symbolisms. )"
|
|