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Post by tito on Oct 17, 2009 11:38:58 GMT -5
www.bosnahistorija.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51:durham-the-montenegrins-are-bosnians&catid=48:stranahistorija&Itemid=29In 1900, Montenegro, which was about the size of Yorkshire, consisted of some thirty plemena or tribes. A small core, mainly Cetinaajes, Nyegushi, Rijeka and Kchevo formed old Montenegro. To this was added the Brda group, which joined Montenegro voluntarily in the eighteenth century, in order to fight against the Turks. These are mainly of Albanian blood and were all Roman Catholics at the time of their annexation, but have since been converted to the Orthodox Church and Slavized. It is noteworthy that they are now strenuously resisting annexation by Serbia. Thirdly, came the extensive lands, some of them wholly Albanian, annexed to Montenegro in 1878 under the Treaty of Berlin, much of which, in spite of the efforts of the Montenegrin Government, is by no means Slavized. Certain other small districts have also from time to time been joined to Montenegro at different times, e.g. Grahovo. Each of the Montenegrin tribes has a distinct tradition of origin from an individual or family. They tell almost invariably of immigration into their present site in the fifteenth or sixteenth century. Thus Nyegushi in 1905 told me of descent from two brothers Jerak and Raiko, who fled from Nyegushi in the Herzegovina fourteen generations ago. The Royal family, the Petrovitches, traces descent from Jerak. If we take thirty years as a generation this gives us 1485. The Turks had then begun to overrun Bosnia and the Herzegovina. Ivan Tsrnoievitch, chief of the tribes of the Zeta, was so hard pressed by the oncoming Turks that he burnt his capital of Zhablyak and withdrew to the mountains, where he founded Cetinje in 1484. Tradition thus corresponds closely with historic fact. The strength of Turkish influence is shown by the fact that even to-day the peasant speaks of Ivan as Ivan Beg. The oft-repeated tale that Montenegro was founded by the refugees from Kosovo is thus we see mythical, as Kosovo was fought a century earlier in 1389. Lineally, the Montenegrins are Bosnians, Herzegovinians and Albanians rather than Serbs of Serbia. Bosnia and the Herzegovina were independent of the old Kingdom of Serbia, which explains much of the reluctance of Montenegro to be to-day incorporated by the Serbs.Twenty Years Of Balkan Tangle by M. E. Durham (First published 1920)
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Post by srbobran on Oct 17, 2009 14:00:44 GMT -5
You do realize that 40-50% of Serbian Serbs are of Montenegrin stock? Even if they are of "Bosnian origin" (whatever that means), how on earth would it explain their reluctance to join Serbia? You think Serbophobia is some sort of genetic trait that Bosnians and their kin, apparently, the Montenegrins posses? Montenegro was founded as Dioclea in the 7th century, however, there were huge numbers of Serbs that emigrated to Montenegro after the fall of Serbia to the Turks.
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Post by tito on Oct 17, 2009 14:12:02 GMT -5
You do realize that 40-50% of Serbian Serbs are of Montenegrin stock? Even if they are of "Bosnian origin" (whatever that means), how on earth would it explain their reluctance to join Serbia? You cant expect posrbice to know any better, they actually believe that they are somehow "serbs"(what ever that means). 'Serbs' in the tongue of the Romans is the word for 'slaves', whence the colloquial 'serbula' for menial shoes, and 'tzerboulianoi' for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans. www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/MORCOP.html
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Post by gavrilo on Oct 17, 2009 16:28:23 GMT -5
you completely disregarded what srboran asked you. you should went on a rampage about serbs being slaves, lol. montenegirns are serbs. some may not think so for now, thanks to politics and the fact that the war let scumbag politicians campagin against being serbs. but at the end of the day, they are a mix, just like serbs are. doesnt change the fact that they are serbian. keep the hate up, your doing a great job.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 18, 2009 7:18:53 GMT -5
Tito, you are a disease. A filthy disgusting disease. You fu vcking idiot, Serbia did not start from Serbia proper. Raska was Serbia. That was were Serbs lived you fvcking diseased idiot. Croats & Bosniaks could not be more pathetic when they start to think that Serbs came from f**king present day Serbia as if Serbs started in Belgrade or something. Tito, your forefathers were Serbs with Serbian slav names. You are a fvcking disease you filthy f**king Muslim idiot. Blantant lying bullsh!t like this should not be allowed on the forum.
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Post by tito on Oct 18, 2009 8:07:47 GMT -5
^ Don’t be like that now, no one is forcing you to return to your Bosniak roots. You can still be a posrbica, this article is just a historical observation and nothing new. The book was published in 1920 so the older posrbice probably knew the truth, you cant blame me since it was they who misled you into believing that you are a so called "serb". I’m the good guy here, I am liberating you from the slave identity that posrbice forced upon you. Accept the truth and it will liberate you.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 18, 2009 10:00:36 GMT -5
Poturica go pull the pyramid out of your arse. Get rid of your balija religion that was forced apon you by the Turks & fvcked up the Balkans. Your a filthy Muslim who took the religion of the Turks. You have the youngest ethnicity in the Balkans named after a river that nobody zip zero believes was ever an ethnicity except for Muslims. Your ethnicity was created by the Turks budalo jedan. Of course it has to be a difficult thing for a man to contemplate. A man has to have his pride. That explains why your so delusional.
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Post by tito on Oct 18, 2009 10:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 18, 2009 10:31:39 GMT -5
Balijo of course being an actual 'Muslim by Nationality" as you are requires the biggest deceit of all. I mean knowing that your forefathers were Christian when you've been brought up a Muslim I mean I can imagine the cognitive dissonance that must stir. Just imagine all the family history that's missing unlike the Christian ethnicities around you. Just imagine all the lies that simply must be built from those times when one of your kin was a devsirme or janissary. Imagine the shame & betrayal of those first forefathers of yours that converted to the rest of their family that fought teh Turks in Kosovo. Imagine the lies they had to have when that family history started. It obviously causes a protective mechanism like the one you have balijo. But it’s all coming back now that your beloved Turks are gone. It’s all coming back to you now & you Muslim slavs by nationality are just the most insignificant cog there is. Your country only has your Muslim ethnicity trying to claw back at the Ottoman empire but it’s all gone balijo. It’s gone for good. No more Turks balijo. Nothing. Nobody loves you except for them. So all you have now is a tiny little Federacija to fight over with the Hrvati. That’s all you wil lever have. It’s only going to get worse for you now Muslim by nationality.
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Post by tito on Oct 18, 2009 12:21:03 GMT -5
Balijo of course being an actual 'Muslim by Nationality" as you are requires the biggest deceit of all. I mean knowing that your forefathers were Christian when you've been brought up a Muslim I mean I can imagine the cognitive dissonance that must stir. Just imagine all the family history that's missing unlike the Christian ethnicities around you. Just imagine all the lies that simply must be built from those times when one of your kin was a devsirme or janissary. Imagine the shame & betrayal of those first forefathers of yours that converted to the rest of their family that fought teh Turks in Kosovo. Imagine the lies they had to have when that family history started. It obviously causes a protective mechanism like the one you have balijo. But it’s all coming back now that your beloved Turks are gone. It’s all coming back to you now & you Muslim slavs by nationality are just the most insignificant cog there is. Your country only has your Muslim ethnicity trying to claw back at the Ottoman empire but it’s all gone balijo. It’s gone for good. No more Turks balijo. Nothing. Nobody loves you except for them. So all you have now is a tiny little Federacija to fight over with the Hrvati. That’s all you wil lever have. It’s only going to get worse for you now Muslim by nationality. Unlike you I know my Bosniak roots, we chose not to be associated with the false interpretations of Gods massage to mankind even before the Glorious Ottomans liberated the Balkans. That is why Bosniaks have been fighting for the truth against orthodox and catholic crusaders for the past 1000 years. In 1448 the crusaders confiscated lands belonging to my forefathers, since we refused to accept their lies about the prophet Jesus peace be upon him. The righteous Bosiniaks found a defender of the truth in Sultan Mehmed II who had arrived with his glorious Ottoman army as in east Bosnia as the saviour and liberator all oppressed peoples, his glorious Ottoman army liberated the Balkan people from serfdom 500 years before your orthodox brothers in Russia. To join Sultan Mehmed II and the janissary corps was the greatest honor of all. The crusaders got crushed and the righteous Bosniaks and their mother Bosnia was saved. A few hundred years later ungrateful posrbice like you forgot that most of you had just about as much rights as cattle before the Ottoman liberation and instead of defending the state that had liberated you from serfdom you joined Austro-Hungarians and lost Kosovo forever. That was more then 300 years ago and ever since then you have been spreading hate propaganda against the Ottoman liberators. Not even today when the truth is in front of you can you accept it. That is why you created the silly term "Muslim by nationality" in first place, now that democracy is gaining ground people are returning to their Bosniak roots, not even the Montenegrins who you once claimed to be the most genuine "serbs" want to be associated with such a false ethnicities which never meant anything more then SLAVES. Luckily for everyone involved the so called "serbs" are now melting away all over the Balkans: Population "growth" in Serbia 1998-20081998: -23046 1999: -29222 2000: -30278 2001: -20573 2002: -24684 2003: -24921 2004: -26134 2005: -34591 2006: -31887 2007: -34703 2008: -33628 webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu/axd/en/drugastrana.php?Sifra=0013&izbor=odel&tab=1Total population of RS2006: 1.168.000 2007: 1.155.000 2008: 1.109.000 www.rzs.rs.ba/Publikacije/AnketaORadnojSnazi/AnketaORadnojSnazi1.pdfAs for Turkey, it is still growing by one million people per year and it’s influence in Europe will only become stronger with time. Or as we say in Bosnia: Pliva patka, pliva guska bit ce Srbija opet Turska!
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Post by gavrilo on Oct 18, 2009 13:16:15 GMT -5
can you please stop posting the same shit about population growth. you made your point in almost every thread and every forum and every topic here. come on bro get some new shit.
you muslims sold your soul for an elite status (jannisaries) that became the most corrupt and evil institution in the ottoman empire.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 18, 2009 17:46:50 GMT -5
Unlike you I know my Bosniak roots, we chose not to be associated with the false interpretations of Gods massage to mankind even before the Glorious Ottomans liberated the Balkans. That is why Bosniaks have been fighting for the truth against orthodox and catholic crusaders for the past 1000 years. In 1448 the crusaders confiscated lands belonging to my forefathers, since we refused to accept their lies about the prophet Jesus peace be upon him. The righteous Bosiniaks found a defender of the truth in Sultan Mehmed II who had arrived with his glorious Ottoman army as in east Bosnia as the saviour and liberator all oppressed peoples, his glorious Ottoman army liberated the Balkan people from serfdom 500 years before your orthodox brothers in Russia.
I am not a fan of Serbs but.... it must take a lot of ignorance to make a person this deluded.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 17, 2009 17:05:34 GMT -5
Unlike you I know my Bosniak roots, we chose not to be associated with the false interpretations of Gods massage to mankind even before the Glorious Ottomans liberated the Balkans. That is why Bosniaks have been fighting for the truth against orthodox and catholic crusaders for the past 1000 years. In 1448 the crusaders confiscated lands belonging to my forefathers, since we refused to accept their lies about the prophet Jesus peace be upon him. The righteous Bosiniaks found a defender of the truth in Sultan Mehmed II who had arrived with his glorious Ottoman army as in east Bosnia as the saviour and liberator all oppressed peoples, his glorious Ottoman army liberated the Balkan people from serfdom 500 years before your orthodox brothers in Russia. I am not a fan of Serbs but.... it must take a lot of ignorance to make a person this deluded. If you put "Albanians" and "Albania" where "Bosniaks" and "Bosnia" are referred in the text its exactly your style...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Feb 1, 2010 21:29:47 GMT -5
I do not refer to the coming of the ottomans as a liberation. I am aware of the changes that occurred during the long 500 years of Ottoman rule and the influences that came with it. It was a conquest, but by the end, Albanians had went from a chiefly mountain people into an urban group who played a large role in the administration and defense of the Ottoman realm. Albanians were willfully assimilated into the Ottoman imperial structure, alongside the Slavic Muslims, called today Bosnians, as well as others (whether Georgian, Armenian, Cerkez, Tartar etc. etc.)
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