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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 16, 2009 10:07:10 GMT -5
I guess the worst nightmare of your life is that Bosnia is an independent country now, instead of still being part of the Ottoman empire, right? haha lol so true. |
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 16, 2009 10:16:14 GMT -5
lol Tito & his beloved Turks. You're the end game and the epitome of how the Turks screwed the Balkans. If ”srbobran” can admit that the hajduks where terrorists then why cant you?? As for the ”Turks”/Glorious Ottomans they LIBERATED the ordinarily people from serfdom (500 years before the orthodox nations such as Russia even considered it!), if anything we should all be grateful to the glorious Ottoman liberators but instead you choose to support a bunch of terrorists. Yeah we really appreciated it. Your Bosnians like Vlatko & Tvrtko really appreciated it didn't they? Vlatko didn't really fight the Turks in Kosovo did he? Tvrtko didn't really say that he'd defended Christian Europe against the Turks did he? Everyone was happy as they were annihilating cities like Novo Brdo weren't they? Katarina Kosaca was ecstatic when her children were taken & converted to Islam wasn't she? All teh mothers & fathers of devshirme were jumping for joy weren't they? All the janissaries were loving the idea of fighting against their own kind right? And the taxes didn't have anything to do with encouraging more people to convert from Christianity to islam did they? If the turci & the the balje converts were so good there wouldn't have been Hajduks in the first place. Balijo that's what the Hajduks were rebelling against. They were rebelling against Turks & Turkish subjects like you. Now they're gone, gone forever so go have a cry Muslim by nationality. |
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Post by tito on Oct 16, 2009 10:20:30 GMT -5
I guess the worst nightmare of your life is that Bosnia is an independent country now, instead of still being part of the Ottoman empire, right? I consider the Ottoman Empire to be much like a future EU, Bosnia had it’s autonomy and it’s historical borders where respected inside the Empire/United states of Europe. Unlike today when we have east Bosnia split between Serbia and Montenegro and Bosnian Dalmatia and Slavonia inside Croatia. Bosnian independence is good but almost half of Bosnia’s territory is now inside the neighboring countries which was not the case during the Ottoman period. |
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 16, 2009 10:27:41 GMT -5
I guess the worst nightmare of your life is that Bosnia is an independent country now, instead of still being part of the Ottoman empire, right? I consider the Ottoman Empire to be much like a future EU, Bosnia had it’s autonomy and it’s historical borders where respected inside the Empire/United states of Europe. Unlike today when we have east Bosnia split between Serbia and Montenegro and Bosnian Dalmatia and Slavonia inside Croatia. Bosnian independence is good but almost half of Bosnia’s territory is now inside the neighboring countries which was not the case during the Ottoman period. What a crackpot. This is what happens when you become Muslim. |
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Post by tito on Oct 16, 2009 10:42:15 GMT -5
Yeah we really appreciated it. Your Bosnians like Vlatko & Tvrtko really appreciated it didn't they? Vlatko didn't really fight the Turks in Kosovo did he? Tvrtko didn't really say that he'd defended Christian Europe against the Turks did he? Everyone was happy as they were annihilating cities like Novo Brdo weren't they? Katarina Kosaca was ecstatic when her children were taken & converted to Islam wasn't she? As I said before the Glorious Ottomans LIBERATED the ordinarily people from serfdom (500 years before the orthodox nations such as Russia even considered it!), if anything we should all be grateful to the glorious Ottoman liberators but instead you choose to support a bunch of terrorists. All teh mothers & fathers of devshirme were jumping for joy weren't they? Yes, unless you choose to believe in nationalist propaganda made by the same fanatics who support the hajduk terrorists. All the janissaries were loving the idea of fighting against their own kind right? The janissaries where fighting enemies of their empire and not "their own kind". And the taxes didn't have anything to do with encouraging more people to convert did they? Naturally not since higher taxes made life safer then conversion. If the turci & the the balje converts were so good there wouldn't have been Hajduks in the first place. If anything the glorious Ottomans where too good towards these ungrateful bastards. Maybe if they had not liberated them from serfdom 500 before their orthodox brothers in Russia they would still be kissing our feet like they kiss Russian ass today. Balijo that's what the Hajduks were rebelling against. They were rebelling against Turks & Turkish subjects like you. They where rebelling against the legal authorities which makes them terrorists. |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 16, 2009 14:15:49 GMT -5
They weren't terrorists and don't put words into my mouth you little fvck. Hajduks are the epitome of the Serbian (and Balkan for that matter) fighting spirit and some of the feats they pulled off took incredible courage. Agreed. This is the Marko we should be admiring, he pulled off some pretty impressive stuff and was known throughout the Balkans for his spectacular deeds. books.google.ca/books?id=ok93aZ27r-oC&pg=PA21&dq=Deli+Marko#v=onepage&q=Deli%20Marko&f=falseIt talks about Prince Marko and how the Marko in Serbian/Bulgarian poetry and how the mythical Marko is really a combination of various Serbian personalities. Its also got some more stuff on Deli Marko. Tito, In the early Ottoman era (were talking about 1450 to the end of the 16th century), the Ottomans did treat the peasants relatively while (which explains the high number of Serbian and Bulgarian voynuci, martelosi, and derbendzije in the Ottoman ranks). However, as the Ottoman Empire began to decline, their rule did become oppressive and tyranical (which coincides with the rise of the hajduks as a significant force). Hence, the large numbers of rebellions in the Ottoman Christian provinces. Anyways, I'm gonna be posting a lot more information on Serbian hajduks later on. |
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Post by MiG on Oct 16, 2009 14:20:06 GMT -5
Tito is famous for Manifestations. Don't take anything he says seriously, since he's nothing more than a tool.  |
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Post by tito on Oct 16, 2009 14:22:30 GMT -5
They weren't terrorists and don't put words into my mouth you little fvck.  He and his band of 500 Serbs terrorized.. |
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Post by occamsrazor on Oct 17, 2009 6:14:59 GMT -5
Interesting how that works, Aye? Its a matter of perspective isn't it. What some people might consider terrorism , others would consider fighting for freedom. We can see that today. Go to one part of the world and certain radical Muslims might be considered terrorists but go to another part of the world and the same Muslims can be hailed as freedom fighters.
American troops in the Middle East have been called both liberators and terrorists depending on which part of the world you're in and who you're asking. Who's right? Again , a matter of perspective and completely arbitrary since these opinions are not formed from any objective principles but rather subjective hysteria.
I am not surprised. After reading some of your other goofball posts this is really nothing. However, in my eyes , this doesn't make you any better than some Serbs that want Greater Serbia , Croats that want Greater Croatia , Albanians that want Greater Albania , etc.
Isto sranje , drugo pakovanje as the saying goes.
The expansionists hold the same opinions you do except its for their own country. You should applaud them for trying to 'regain their territory' as clearly you believe in the same principles , just different countries.
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Post by tito on Oct 17, 2009 8:29:21 GMT -5
Interesting how that works, Aye? Its a matter of perspective isn't it. How is it a matter of perspective when even "srbobran" admits that they where terrorists: He and his band of 500 Serbs terrorized.. Who's right? Again , a matter of perspective and completely arbitrary since these opinions are not formed from any objective principles but rather subjective hysteria. I would say that the legal authorities are usually right. In this cases the Glorious Ottomans. I am not surprised. After reading some of your other goofball posts this is really nothing. However, in my eyes , this doesn't make you any better than some Serbs that want Greater Serbia , Croats that want Greater Croatia , Albanians that want Greater Albania , etc. Isto sranje , drugo pakovanje as the saying goes. The expansionists hold the same opinions you do except its for their own country. You should applaud them for trying to 'regain their territory' as clearly you believe in the same principles , just different countries. No I don’t believe that Bosnia & the Bosniak people should invade Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia, ethnically cleans and commit genocide on people who choose not to consider them self’s Bosniaks, proclaim Bosniak republics in these countries and attempt to annex them(even if all these 3 countries do control what was historically Bosnian land). My opinion was based on a historical facts and not some idea of liberating Bosnian lands in Serbia, Croatia or Montenegro. Not that it really matters since most so called "serbs" will still attempt to somehow breakup parts of today’s Bosnia regardless if Bosnia chooses an expansionist ideal or not. In fact it seems that the more civilized one is towards the so called "serbs" and "croats" the more ungrateful they get. On the positive side is the fact that their population is shrinking so there might be no need for Bosniaks to abandon our tolerant ideals towards these intolerant people who still today choose to consider hajduk terrorists and other criminals as "heroes". |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 17, 2009 14:03:25 GMT -5
Tito,
Don't fvcking speak on my behalf you ignorant piece of fvck.
See, even "tito" admits that Bosnians are expansionist and should invade their neighbors.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 17, 2009 14:39:12 GMT -5
See, even "tito" admits that Bosnians are expansionist and should invade their neighbors. My wife is Bosnian (serb) and their family aint expantionists at all. In fact they were cleansed off their native place in western BiH, to escape the mudjahedins, a place were they most probably had lived for more than 500 years.. |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 17, 2009 14:50:01 GMT -5
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Ever seen 'Battle of Algiers'?
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Post by aaayyy on Oct 19, 2009 12:05:22 GMT -5
Shajtani, Really??? êàçàê |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 19, 2009 13:15:27 GMT -5
Kacak is Turkish. It means fugitive/smuggler/runaway
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 8:21:53 GMT -5
What Bosniaks and Albanians have to do with hajduks....?  In Greece the simiral guerillas were called klephtes....  |
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 8:26:15 GMT -5
And btw the first battle of the Greek Revolution, in Dragatsani Romania, where the Greek klephtes and the local Greek students and traders of the Ieros Lochos defeated by the Turks...  ...in the same time the local Romanians milked their goats.... |
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 20, 2009 8:41:40 GMT -5
"...in the same time the local Romanians milked their goats.... " ?? You mean they had the guts to go in the middle of the battle and milk their goats? Or did they milk their goats from a distance watching the battle? Anyways the spectacle must have been unpleasant to the goats. Where did the Epirots earned their money in order for the Filiki Etairia to be founded and be operative? IN ROMANIA... Thats right... just like now Greece is full of poor Romanians/Bulgarians/Balkanians seeking jobs, (and also full of new fresh EU money) during 17th,18th centuries Greeks went to work in Serbia/Romania as immigrants... many changed names and stayed there forever... it seems like our goats had less milk back then than the romanian goats, hey patrine? |
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 8:57:46 GMT -5
Well it wasn't any romanian state then... just two ottoman provinces... i mean Moldavia and Vlachia...
And of course the Greeks (Moraites,Epirotes, etc etc) made money and supported the cause not only in these provinces but almost "everywhere" from Tergesti, Paris, Alexandria, Budapest, Vienna, Odessos (city created for Greek by Aikaterine of Russia), etc etc...
Whats your point? That we have to call new immigrants because Greeks 2-3 centuries back traded in other countries...? we have many don't you think?
It wasn't ...goats' fault that Greeks migrated... its that the condition in Greece was much more hard... and either you would become klephtis or a trader or mercenary abroad...
And Romanians had the opportunity to join the struggle, as the rest of Balkanians but they left Greeks alone... if you exlude some few personalites like Mavrovouniotis-Montenegrin Serb(Vaso Brajović ) and Hadji-hristo(bulgarian)... bad for them...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 20, 2009 9:38:03 GMT -5
"Whats your point? That we have to call new immigrants because Greeks 2-3 centuries back traded in other countries...? we have many don't you think?"
Of course not... Dont put words in my mouth that i never meant to say.
My point is that you try to undermine a whole nation by using humiliating terms. At those times all balkan countries (except maybe Serbia which acted semi-autonomously (as always)) were taking orders either from France or Russia or Austrohungary... Wasnt Tudor_Vladimirescu an active Romanian hero? The fact that he had conflicting interests with Greeks and he was actually anti-greek, is not enuf to say that Romanians simply "milked their cows". We were milking our cows when "Awacs" were taking off from Preveza-Aktion airport during the Bosnian and Kosovo wars right?
Anyways, Patrine, i'll say it with simple words: The more we downlook our northern neighbors the more we will be like our southern neighbors.
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