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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 10:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by srbobran on Oct 20, 2009 14:01:48 GMT -5
Now wait just a minute.Serbia's war forindependence started in 1804, almost a decade and a half BEFORE Greece's. I didn't see Greeks volunteering en masse to fight our war.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 20, 2009 14:11:34 GMT -5
Now wait just a minute.Serbia's war forindependence started in 1804, almost a decade and a half BEFORE Greece's. I didn't see Greeks volunteering en masse to fight our war. Patrinos belongs to the majority of greeks who think that the whole world owe to us, the greeks: money, loans, love, support and admiration, just for the sake of Ancient Greece. Many also try to equate the recognition of Kosovo to the recognition of the name "Macedonia", and demand for recognition of Kosovo if serbia does not rollback her recognition of Macedonia. So for them, a greek word "Macedonia" is equal or more worthy than a large part of Serbia's soil... Thats the deal for them.. We are so spoiled... jesus.. would we survived if instad of 600 BILION euros, we had received bombs? |
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 14:30:34 GMT -5
Now wait just a minute.Serbia's war forindependence started in 1804, almost a decade and a half BEFORE Greece's. I didn't see Greeks volunteering en masse to fight our war. Greek Revolution was a massive movement based not only in fighters but also on supportive "societes" like Philike Etaireia, pan-balkanist hellenocentric intellectualls like Rigas Pheraios, philhellenic movement etc etc. It was the first "serious" attempt. Serbs rebeled not few times, just like Greeks did and not much earlier from 1820's, in 1770's. I said that mainly for the lazy Romanians who left the opportunity to join a massive struggle, betraying even the few things they've prommised through Vladimirescu... that was the delay of the unavoidable crash of the small Greek groups of klephtes and students-volunteers that were gathered in Vlachia under Ypsilantis. Hopefully the acts of this handfull of Greeks and few allies achieved partially its goal, and made many Ottoman forces to move north believing that Russia is behind... Of course the survivors were few...:  Pyrro, there is a huge mess in your mind... from Dragatsani you bring the conversation to bombs, euros, Makedonia, Kosovo anciet Greece etc etc  What do you drink? |
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Oct 20, 2009 16:11:40 GMT -5
And btw the first battle of the Greek Revolution, in Dragatsani Romania, where the Greek klephtes and the local Greek students and traders of the Ieros Lochos defeated by the Turks...  ...in the same time the local Romanians milked their goats.... This is very amusing. First af all Romanian states have a very long history fighting Turks, hundreds of years, during that time i don't know what Greeks were milking but, if we take those human filths that were the Phanariotes into consideration as examples, we can suspect what body parts of the Turks they were milking. Second, about that part of the Greek revolution that was the battle of Dragasani... I think any nation should place that episode in a garbage bin and never mention any word about it. Thisis a google translation of a Romanian article about Ipsilanti, i changed only a little where it doesn't make any kind of sense keeping the rest, even if the Translation was wrong, as it's very funny. Alexander Ypsilanti (b. 1792 - d. 1828) or Ypsilanti, Head of Greek Etairia 1821, was the son of Wallachian Prince Constantin Ypsilanti. It came early in the Russian army, remained crippled after the battle of Dresden and reached the rank of Major. Became warden general of Eteria, decides that it is time for Greeks to achieve liberation from Ottoman rule in 1821 triggered the revolution. With a strong army in Bessarabia and composed of Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians and wheat, passing the Principalities, drawing and lifting people out of here (February 20 1821), and especially the support of the Moldavian ruler Michael Sufu. From Iasi, where the Turks are slaughtered and terrified people, go to the Romanian Country (Tara Romanesca/Wallachia). Here, conflict with Tudor Vladimirescu, which led revolution in 1821. Eteriştii hero kills his dastardly May 27th novel in 1821 and threw his body in an abandoned well near Targoviste. Finally, however, of Ypsilanti revolution fails. Russia disagrees with a population of Romanian principalities one hates because of robberies and killing made eterişti Tudor Vladimirescu. Moreover, the Turkish armies in a fight breaks from Drăgăşani of June 7, 1821, although the Greeks were three times as many. The fight was lost mainly because of Ypsilanti who remained three hours after the army. The next day, he called on his people "asshole flocks of slaves" and he left, passing in Transylvania. From here, fled to Vienna, where he almost died a few years in misery, madman, in 1828, while he was in prison. So, the Greek army composed of all sort of people mainly Balkan people were crushed by the Turks although they were three times more numerous. How shameful. I remember the many Romanian victories against the Turks and in all of them the Turks were at least 2 to 1 there was never a chance to fight in equal numbers at least. And Romanians aside for some volunteers in Ipsilanti's army (like that Cozoni i wrote about) were gathered in Tudor Vladimirescus'a army. The Romanians hated the Eteristi, as they were robing and killing the locals probably they were more like a horde and less like an army. Bear in mind that at that time Moldova and Vallachia were parasited by Phanariote Greeks who were considered as the main enemy. Actually the Turks weren't so bad as long as they were bribed they behaved, worse was that if the Turks were chased away, the lands were to be soon annexed by Austria and Russia like it happened with big chunks of Moldavia and Wallachia. PS, also there is a need to mention the when the Phanariotes were apointed at the beginning of the XVIIIth century, they disbanded the armies of both Moldavia and Wallachia and that was catastrophic. |
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 20, 2009 16:37:01 GMT -5
Romanian principalities were always refered in the letters between the Greek fighters as the situation that Greece must not ever be... and Greeks should never become like them...that is, self-indulgent masses that in the name of a vestigial autonomy don't react... Imagine that you had a douzin of lazy Phanariotes that ruled a huge land with big population... and they were only thrown away by Osmanlis when the Greek Revolution started... what the vlachobogdan haiduts...pandurs...did then...? Btw does the article above say that Ypsilantis was a Vallachian...?  And the battle of Dragatsani is a memorable moment in history because it was a struggle not by soldiers but students from all over Greek areas... but how the hell can you judge...?... in the same time, the local vlachomoldavians made their cascaval... |
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 20, 2009 22:58:15 GMT -5
Patrine my son, i am not the one mixing battles in remote places (where you have never been), goats, milks and other dairy products.
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Post by gavrilo on Oct 20, 2009 23:51:46 GMT -5
pyross u just made my girl mad at bro! she was yapping away about one of her girlfriends getting in a fight w their man and i just laughed out load when i read the goat comment. now she left the room and is on the coach. n o sex for me tonight lmao.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 21, 2009 0:37:05 GMT -5
Greek Revolution was a massive movement based not only in fighters but also on supportive "societes" like Philike Etaireia, pan-balkanist hellenocentric intellectualls like Rigas Pheraios, philhellenic movement etc etc. It was the first "serious" attempt. Serbs rebeled not few times, just like Greeks did and not much earlier from 1820's, in 1770's. It was the first "serious" attempt. ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_revolutionThe first fully autonomous, local uprising was attempted with success by the Serbs. The local Serbs, not the ones in Diaspora. In contrast to the Serb revolt, the Greek revolt was - highly motivated by outside factors - highly supported by outside factors - highly advertised by outside factors in short , it was an "outside" revolution. If you go today in "Palaia Vouli" at Stadiou avenue, and go inside the parliament hall, you will see books mainly in .... french/german/english..... And the few greek books are about .... what the foreigners saw... Patrine...we are western butt kissers for over 1000 years... and if we dont change tunes we will never be a serious power. I cannot feel proud for what the foreign powers gave to our country. Just like the kosovars should not be proud about the war that USA fought for them... At the time (1821) ALL the western press wrote about the greeks in such a supporting fashion, just like they did recently for Boslims/Albanians... The greek revolt, was so much endorsed by the west.... In the mean time the rest of Balkan nations were fighting by themselves. |
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 21, 2009 0:47:58 GMT -5
cerciz topulli, kelphts, kolokotronis...whats up with all these albanians?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 21, 2009 2:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by insomniac on Oct 21, 2009 14:29:47 GMT -5
Cerciz Topulli and Mihal Grameno both Albanians fought against Ottomans. Cerciz was later killed in battle against Montenegrins(Serbs) in 1915.  |
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Post by insomniac on Oct 21, 2009 14:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 21, 2009 15:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Oct 23, 2009 8:23:18 GMT -5
Romanian principalities were always refered in the letters between the Greek fighters as the situation that Greece must not ever be... and Greeks should never become like them...that is, self-indulgent masses that in the name of a vestigial autonomy don't react... Lol, don't make me laugh, do you know why the Greek Phanariotes were appointed in the XVIIIth century instead of the Romanian ones? Because the Tuks got just enough with the Romanian fighting against them. When Cantemir who they trusted greatly allied with the Russians and fought against them, they were forced to take drastic measures and decided to place the obedient Greeks, the loyal Turkish servants, in Moldavia. at first, as Cantemir fled to Russia with most of the great nobillity, the Turkish move was left without any vigourous response and after some time it was too late to do anything to remove the Phanariotes. After a couple of years the Turks assasinated the Prince of Wallachia as he was gathering support for a fight against the Turks and introduced the Phanariote regime also in Wallachia so they could control the country better. So you are amuzing, the self indulgent masses were the fat crooks that were the Phanariotes, on the other hand common Romanians continued to fight the Turks either enroling in the Russian army since those Phanariotes disbanded the Romanian armies or took the fight for themselves like Parvu Cantacuzino. What are you meaning? I fail to understand what you're saying. BTW since it's on the Serbian forum, i stumbled by chance on the song of Iancu Jianu a famous Romanian haiduc played by a Serbian musician. What is nasty is that it's not mentioned what the song is. They mention it only as Haiduc song or something like this i cannot read cyrillic very well, also under the name of the song are supposed to be the composer or what? Very bad habit in the Balkans to sing some songs from a different country never mention it's origin or composer if that's the case and after a while hitting themselves in the chest that it's their song like in that documentary "Whose this song". If we take the well known Romanian song Ciocarlia is already claimed by some dumb Bulgarians, Hungarians or you cand see on Youtube some guys who claim in concerts in the west that it's their composition. Also Bregovici used it in Kalashnikov. Anyway, enjoy the performance by the Serb guy of Janul and second video is Zamfir's performance. Also, if you liked it, watch the sequence from the movie about Jianu in which the peasants start spontaneously to sing his folk ballad in the inn to irritate the policemen, beeing unaware of the presence of Jianu himself in a corner. The emotion of Jianu's face, who at that time gave up the life as a haidouc for some time, is moving. Check the video beginning beginning with 2:39 to hear the ballad. |
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 23, 2009 8:31:08 GMT -5
Aofg, Don't pay attention to idiots like Patrinos.
You will waste pages and pages of serious writing only to see him come back with personal attacks.
I am really embarrassed by some of my "supposedly" co-patriots here.
Thankfully they are not a majority in real life.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 24, 2009 19:17:25 GMT -5
pyross u just made my girl mad at bro! she was yapping away about one of her girlfriends getting in a fight w their man and i just laughed out load when i read the goat comment. now she left the room and is on the coach. n o sex for me tonight lmao. Lolololol |
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Post by rusebg on Oct 25, 2009 9:03:17 GMT -5
Not funny, Skoric. It is disastreous when this forum starts affecting one's sexual life.
p.s How is your friend's cousin? Has he done any modelling in recent months?
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