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Post by Kassandros on Oct 29, 2009 3:59:56 GMT -5
Ottoman Empire should revive at the Balkans, Turkish foreign minister says 28 October 2009 | 17:36 | FOCUS News Agency Sarajevo. The Ottoman Empire should revive, said Turkish foreign minister Ahmed Davutoglu during a talks with Bosnian leaders in Sarajevo, Macedonian A1 television informed. Davutoglu has praised Turkish occupation of Bosnia as an act of release and noted Sokollu Mehmet Paºa would have been an ordinary man of he had not been taken from his family. In his words Turkey has the right and interest to influence the relations at the Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East and to defend its historical heritage and its own security. According to him there are more Bosnians in Turkey than in Bosnia and Herzegovina and more Albanians than in Albania, A1 noted. www.focus-fen.net/?id=n198625
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 29, 2009 4:00:36 GMT -5
Guess who is damaging their plans back then.. and now again..?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2009 4:04:41 GMT -5
;D
Gel burdan.. budala kiofte...
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 29, 2009 7:00:31 GMT -5
I hope they will try to realize their plans..and Constantinople will be ours again.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 29, 2009 7:30:32 GMT -5
If they don't shut up I will sent Scanderbeg to chop them up again.
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Post by bordura on Oct 29, 2009 19:16:34 GMT -5
If they don't shut up I will sent Scanderbeg to chop them up again. did you mean Rexx ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 29, 2009 20:11:17 GMT -5
The Turks are promoting a unity of Balkan Muslims, in which case what can Greece do? If the Balkan Muslims were to accept and want such a thing? What do you think Greece could realistically do besides huff and puff? Remember, Turkey is a far more strategically capable and militarily able state than Greece will ever be and has a political reach and voice far louder than Greece's....
If Albanians and Bosnians were to actually accept it (in the case of Albania I dont think it will and Bosnia cant since it will be blocked by its Croatian and Serbian groups) then Greece could not so much as lift a finger.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 29, 2009 22:43:53 GMT -5
Ayup there Oracle.... somewhere you conveniently forgot to mention there are 75 million turks .... compared to our 11.... break them down to around 30 and come and see me.
Blah blah blah.... and we still can kick sand in their faces when the need arises...
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Post by greek1234 on Oct 30, 2009 0:02:08 GMT -5
There are more Christians in the Balkans then there are Muslims so why don't they follow Greece's lead and create a Neo Byzantium? As for Turkey being strategically and military more capable then Greece is a load of bullshit. Greek weapons are a bit more advance but Turkey has the numbers. Our pilots are one of the best in the world since they are use to intercepting Turkish planes over the Aegean. On the other hand the Turks are use to fighting Kurds in the mountains. Strategically if Turkey was to attack they would lose if Greece was to attack Greece would lose.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 30, 2009 13:30:21 GMT -5
Like in Cyprus? Or in 1955? or 1453? Jesus I mean, it took you, Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro all together to kill the Ottomans when they were at their weakest.
And yet it is their planes that enter Greek islands... not vice versa. And Turkey that makes visits to the Muslim community of thrace, not Greece vice versa.
;D
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 30, 2009 16:20:17 GMT -5
The Turks are promoting a unity of Balkan Muslims, in which case what can Greece do? If the Balkan Muslims were to accept and want such a thing? What do you think Greece could realistically do besides huff and puff? Remember, Turkey is a far more strategically capable and militarily able state than Greece will ever be and has a political reach and voice far louder than Greece's.... If Albanians and Bosnians were to actually accept it (in the case of Albania I dont think it will and Bosnia cant since it will be blocked by its Croatian and Serbian groups) then Greece could not so much as lift a finger. Toskally, as an Albanian, and as a member of a nation that usually takes the wrong side in wars ;D.. think before you talk! Turks are many... but Balkanian Muslims are not.... and if we take under consideration that we're your neighbors.. not Turks... then make the calculation who will suffer in a case of confrontation between Christian Balkanian countries and Turkey. Turkey (and you as allies) may win.. but untill that victory takes place... imagine what will be the consequence to "the allies".. Chams learned you nothing eh? Act smart for once dude...
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 30, 2009 16:31:23 GMT -5
Like in Cyprus? Or in 1955? or 1453? Jesus I mean, it took you, Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro all together to kill the Ottomans when they were at their weakest. And yet it is their planes that enter Greek islands... not vice versa. And Turkey that makes visits to the Muslim community of thrace, not Greece vice versa. ;D No.. like 1821 (we were the ones who started the end tittles ofOttoman Empire) and 1913 when we kicked them out of Balkans. In 1453 its true.. they won fair. In 1955.. there was no war. They did a pogrom to simple citizens into therr city. So.. innacurate. In Cyprous.. even if Cyprous is so close to them.. the pushed English to push us to move the Greek battalion (10,000 men) from the island due to "good will" and "good gesture" reasons.. and then they attacked! That means something.. Also, Turkish planes come.. and go.. fast ;D That is not a "victory".. ;D ;D Turk politicians visit Muslims in Thrace.. because.. there is minority there. Greek politicians to visit who? By the way.. all Greek politicians visit the Ecumenical Patriarch. Again I see no "victory" in an issue like that... Listen, things are simple; if Turks were confident... they would have done it many years now. They want.. they bark.. but they.. cant!.. and they know it. In case 2 armies are in the same level of technology.. the one who attacks to an organised defence.. has 10 times! more casualties. Taking that fact... Turkey is still small in numbers...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 30, 2009 18:23:53 GMT -5
In 1821 you kicked them out of your land... after 400 and with the help of all of Europe. In 1912-3 it was you, Serbia, Bulgaria and Montenegro against a bloated dying relic of the Ottoman Empire. In case of one on one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1897) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%931922)Stop acting like brave men. Unless you had allies, and unless it was to free your own lands, you guys have lost every one on one war with Turkey/Ottoman Empire. You lost in 1453, in 1897, in 1922, in 76... you have no basis by which to act like heroes. If you were "heroes" Izmir today would not be a city with even more Albs than Greeks. In every case where you and Turkey have been involved in lone situations, they have come out as victors. Your stance with their is that of a defeated nation. You lost Constantinople, you lost Izmir, you lost Cyprus. All you have left is your ego and rationalization of something that is to the rest of the world an embarrassment. They defy "your space" and thats not a victory? Soon enuff Russia will make him even more absolete. That is unless Turks hang one of them again... ;D The old POS is hanging on by a thread. He is lucky the Kemalists didnt chuck him out way way back because they could have you guys would not have been able to do anything about it. PS: Its Patriarch of the Rums, not "Ecumenical". Im just going by how he is technically recognized in the land of his jurisdiction. PS: I wasnt talking about a war between you to. Neither Turkey can attack Greece nor Greece the other, it would be suicide for both. However, militarily, they have a far larger reach than you guys can ever hope to have and a far larger political role than you guys. Turkey has a presence in Kosova, Albania, Bosnia and now in the middle east and further out. It is a major entity from the Balkans to the Caucasus. That means that you guys have no way of stopping this "neo-Ottoman" policy if Turkey were to realise it. And note, this would be a cultural political link, not a military link. Unlike the old Ottoman Empire, this would be a union of people who want the Turks in. Hypothetically ofcourse.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2009 19:07:33 GMT -5
PS: Its Patriarch of the Rums, not "Ecumenical". Im just going by how he is technically recognized in the land of his jurisdiction. whats your problem with " Ecumenical"... when the Patriarcheion entitled "ecumenical" Turks were in the steps and were trying to make a baklava without nuts...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 30, 2009 19:09:27 GMT -5
Im just going by how he is called in the very land he has "jurisdiction" in...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 30, 2009 22:31:53 GMT -5
A Turkish friend of mine once said: "In Turkey we do not differentiate between Albanians and Turks".
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 31, 2009 3:26:18 GMT -5
A Turkish friend of mine once said: "In Turkey we do not differentiate between Albanians and Turks". A big truth said by your arkadas...we believe it too... some centuries now...we don't differentiate between Albos and Turks...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 31, 2009 10:45:12 GMT -5
You guys are so predictable with your responses it makes it so easy for me to play around with you...
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 31, 2009 10:50:23 GMT -5
Don't play around with it too much.... you'll go blind. ;D
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 31, 2009 10:56:54 GMT -5
tosky,you are Greek too
Dont forget that,Albo-Greek
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