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Post by iskender on Feb 27, 2008 17:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 27, 2008 17:22:37 GMT -5
;D
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Post by bordura on Feb 27, 2008 17:54:06 GMT -5
Iskender,
do you really think that today's population of FYROM (exclude albanians) is the continuation of ancient macedonians? If you really think that is true, oh man please enlighten all of us.
PS. to me Greek oposition to the naming of FYROM, Macedonia was allways a political Greek position and i didn't really like why they would put this new country in hold from progresing, but now i must rethink it i guess. I hope that political lidership and shools in FYROM don't tell to public and don't teach to the kids this rubish
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Post by terroreign on Feb 27, 2008 22:45:56 GMT -5
bordura - The Macedonian story is very complex, from what I understand, they believe they are proto-slavs, and that the Ancient Macedonians were a slavic tribe which spoke slavic but wrote in greek.
When Alexander conquered to india, many macedonians stayed in pakistan, as well as some in the caucausus, the ones in the caucasus moved north, mixing with the local populations and becoming the precursor to the Russian people/language, and the whole slavic nation.
There is a quick explanation, I did not make this up, this is a popular FYROM belief.
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Post by bordura on Feb 28, 2008 5:05:28 GMT -5
Well, people usualy belive on things thay can't prove (thats why is called believe) and know things that are factual and can be proved using different track records, arceological, anthropoligal, literature, historical documents, linguistic ect. People in FYROM don't have a hard work in front of them to realize from existing well established facts that: proto-slavs in macedonia where no slavs alexander went to india with macedonians before slavs arrived in Balkans (hundred of years before they apeared) when slavs arrived in balkans it was byzantium allready where today is macedonia. so a very simple deduction arises: if they think they are macedonians of alexander they where overrun from slavs. If they are slavs they are not macedonians of alexander if they are mix (in blood i mean) that doesent make them either nor one of them. and culturaly speaking well we neighbors know they are slavic. If they pretend really in their harts they are the end of the line from alexander then 100% it is sure i have a direct blood lineage with queen Teuta jokes a side, it is just random individuals that believe that or it is established in their colective conscience?
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Post by donnie on Feb 28, 2008 5:49:13 GMT -5
Slav Macedonians are precisely that; Slavs. I believe there were two Slav waves of invasion in the Balkans; the first wave was comprised by the Slavs who spoke a language which later on evolved into modern Bulgarian. The Slav Macedonians belong to this branch as well, since their language is pretty much indistinguishable from Bulgarian. The Torlak dialect of Serbian seems also to be part of this language entity, characterized by certain grammatical features absent in other Slav languages.
The second wave was comprised by speakers of a dialect which evolved into modern Serbo-Croatian, on which the official languages of Croatia, Serbia & Bosnia are based on.
All of these entered the Balkans ca 600 AD. And so, there is no direct connection between Slav Macedonians and ancient Macedonians, unless we're speaking of the latter's assimilation into the Slav culture and ethnos. Conclusively, I'd like to agree with Bordura. I believe the Slav Macedonians would have won far more sympathy if they merely claimed the name, which is not new to the territories they inhabit. But going further and claiming ancient Macedonia is what, in my opinion, really p*sses off the Greeks. And now we've come to a point where Greece is not willing of a compromise and wants the name gone. But I believe that it is still possible for the Slav Macedonians to keep their constitutional name if they abstain from claiming direct lineage to Alexander the Great.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Mar 11, 2008 18:30:26 GMT -5
Kosovo. Goranis - Highlanders without land Part 1 Part 2
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Post by sotneser on Mar 11, 2008 18:40:45 GMT -5
hahaha...is this why these Gorani people were celebrating the Impendence of Kosova, was this the way they showed "their loyalty to Serbia", as mentioned in the video. Funny how serbs are so much concerned about other ethnic groups.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 11, 2008 19:05:38 GMT -5
jokes a side, it is just random individuals that believe that or it is established in their colective conscience? Well Macedonians I met in Montenegro explained it like this, and this theory was published in Macedonian newspapers and websites. They speak of a ancient tribe called the 'veneti' who were proto-slavs and are direct evidence to the theory that Macedonians were proto-slavs as well, who simply wrote and spoke in greek as well as slavic. During Alexanders day there indeed did NOT exist slavs, because the name "slav" did not exist, because it was not created yet. Some historians of slavic culture and slavic migrations are researching the theory that the slavs in fact originate from the balkans. Macedonians can recognize Bulgarian simply by pronounciation, not to mention vocabulary and stresses.
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Post by pagane on Mar 12, 2008 7:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah? And since when stresses and pronounciation make a different language? Ever heard of dialects, Terro?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 12, 2008 11:54:57 GMT -5
Dialects don't differentiate much on vocabulary, languages do
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Post by pagane on Mar 13, 2008 5:38:04 GMT -5
And may I know where have you found the big difference in the vocabulary of Bulgarian and 'macedonian'?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 13, 2008 12:38:50 GMT -5
By knowing both languages.
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Post by mpuq on Nov 18, 2009 6:31:00 GMT -5
Kosmet?? ..ah, onerr e shkavellave po .. gorant nuk m'plq..jon pro serb..beh tek e fundit shkavella jon, s'kom qa me prit
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 30, 2018 0:41:46 GMT -5
- In 1949, ethnic Albanian officials in the Yugoslav government, headed by Fadil Hoxha, l aunched a forced assimilation plan for the Goranci, and they managed to Albanize the personal names of the Goranci (e.g. Hasanović - Hasani) - During the Kosovo War, the Goranci mostly supported the Serbian cause. The Kosovo Liberation Army exercised particularly strong pressue on the Goranci, disallowing them to practise their language at schools and in everyday life in order to misrepresent them as Albanians. - Albanian attacks on Gora resulted in the death of 11 inhabitants; some 56 bomb attacks and other types were made. - In Kosovo, the Goranci number 10,265 inhabitants, which is drastically lower than before the Kosovo War. In 1998, it was estimated that their total population number was at least 50,000- Most Goranci state that the unstable situation and economic issues drive them to leave Kosovo. There is also some mention of threats and discrimination by ethnic Albanians.-The Gora municipality was disestablished, and a new municipality was formed which joined Gora with neighbouring Albanian-inhabited Opolje into the new "Dragash" municipality, in which Albanians constituted the majority. STOP KILLING SLAVIC PEOPLE!!!
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 5, 2018 0:12:57 GMT -5
Has Greece being doing any different in the last 100 yrs?
Tell this to BOTH GRECE AND ALB.
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