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Post by malsor4life on Sept 30, 2008 15:42:38 GMT -5
islam keept and preserved our ethnic and cultural identity and avoided us from assimilating with neighbouring people, islam is part of our identity and roots as much as Catholicism and Orthodoxy, therefore I see no reason for massive converting to any of respective religions, apart from maybe bektashism Islam preserved ethnic and cultural identity ? You cant be serious ! LMAO Islam has NOTHING to do with Albanian ethnicity or culture. It was the KANUN that preserved who we are. That is what saved us from the Turks who were trying to completely wipe out our identity. Learn some history.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 30, 2008 15:53:22 GMT -5
^ The voice of reason LoL The voice of truth actualy, now that you all know that the Arabs will not recognise you....you all go and convert to Catholism Albanian religion is Albanianism Its whoever is paying the most which dictates what religion Siptars will embrace. Stop writing s**t. WTF, this guy is supposed to be a moderator but he includes this in a post "Siptars". That is clearly meant as insult to Albanians. Last time I checked serbs had the word for Albanians and it wasn't "Siptars". WTF are you about arabs and all that, stop acting like an idiot. Serbs are actually the ones licking the balls of the Arabs. Really, you are an idiot for linking the recognition of Kosova with religion. Shqiptar, qetësohem.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 30, 2008 18:07:16 GMT -5
WTF are you about arabs and all that, stop acting like an idiot.Ok so before you blab you should read and then you would have an informed opinion. Of course you where lobbying the Arab world for there recognition but they saw right through you so now there is a effort to convert. I mean read the article why did these people have to hide ? its bulls**t I understand in the ottoman times but now ? So its really you who should get a grip and and stop acting like an Idiot and yes Serbia is lobbying the Arab and Muslim world I have not denied it and its a good move, but Serbs are not converting to please there masters on the other hand you are and obviosly the Arab world has seen this, that is my point...
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 30, 2008 18:35:54 GMT -5
Thats first person singular present. Think of various Greek first person middle ending. The second person imperative is qetsoh u
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 30, 2008 18:37:43 GMT -5
Malsor, dont bother arguing with Kasso: he is half-Bosnian Slav. He is a half-breed. Impure. Isnt that right Kasso? You said it yourself.
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Post by sotneser on Sept 30, 2008 18:40:35 GMT -5
What an idiot...hahaha So now because some Albanians are converting to Catholics it has got to do with the recognition. What a retard. This is what you said stupid... The voice of truth actualy, now that you all know that the Arabs will not recognise you....you all go and convert to Catholism It doesn't make sense, I would have thought Albanians would have converted to Christianity to please the Christian world, so they would recognize us. But guess what, they have already recognized us...or, oorrr, the remaining Chatholics in Kosova would have converted to Islam to please the muslim world. But they are not doing this... My God, what an idiot. Shqiptari ty ta qift ate nane ne pidh more maxhup more, se fare e flliqt edhe budall ishi.
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 30, 2008 18:46:00 GMT -5
To each his own. There is no reason why somebody should be angry or happy about the actions of others in this regard. I only pity them if they are actually religious, considering how much bs the catholic church is...
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Post by kapetan on Sept 30, 2008 19:02:03 GMT -5
I Agree^
organized religion is generaly for the weak minded. not always, but usualy. personal spirituality and belifs is ok though.
And correct me if I'm wrong but the Ottomans and by extension Islamic culture CONTRIBUTED in the last 500 years and to present day Albanian culture. I mean even nations who didnt convert were plenty influenced by Ottoman culture.
lol it's become a necessity of balkan nationalism to blame everything on turks and paint them as pure devils who contributed nothing. But in reality balkan muslims were as much ottoman as anyone, and were rules and grand viziers and all that. They WERE Ottoman. and christians and jews usualy lived as well or better then in europe. there is examples of tyrrany but not more then anywhere else.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 30, 2008 19:57:12 GMT -5
What an idiot...hahahaHehehehe yep keep hiding your head in the sand. There was a picture in the newspaper a few weeks or so ago showing a Kosovar wearing a nike t shirt and the American newspaper wrote "is this a Muslim terrorist" laugh all you like but image and also religon forms opinions. This article is proof enough of what I have been saying I will point it out again....why is the headline reading Out of Hiding ? who where they hiding from ? It doesn't make sense, I would have thought Albanians would have converted to Christianity to please the Christian world, so they would recognize us.To you it doesnt but it is clear that the Americans wanted to paint a picture of them caring for a Muslim state it has been stated and reported on many times. Think about the benefits of a Muslim state in Europe that actualy supports America fully showing that the Americans are not against Islam only against the ones that distort Islam you dont have to be a genius to understand what sort of picture that gives. Now it is quite clear that there is a debate over having a Islamic state in Europe it is one concern that has been raised...now think about how much good it will do if only half of the population converts to christianity........is the light bulb on yet ? LOL and you call me an idiot and a Budala. how about showing your age and not your shoe size and leaving the insults out, put your point of view here in an adult manner not like a freakin 10 year old.
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Post by malsor4life on Sept 30, 2008 20:39:27 GMT -5
I Agree^ organized religion is generaly for the weak minded. not always, but usualy. personal spirituality and belifs is ok though. And correct me if I'm wrong but the Ottomans and by extension Islamic culture CONTRIBUTED in the last 500 years and to present day Albanian culture. I mean even nations who didnt convert were plenty influenced by Ottoman culture. lol it's become a necessity of balkan nationalism to blame everything on turks and paint them as pure devils who contributed nothing. But in reality balkan muslims were as much ottoman as anyone, and were rules and grand viziers and all that. They WERE Ottoman. and christians and jews usualy lived as well or better then in europe. there is examples of tyrrany but not more then anywhere else. Yeah, ur right. Gotta clarify, there was undoubtley influences from Turks. After all, i had a black (Turkish) coffee earlier today LoL What i meant was Kasso's notion that Islam preserved Albanian identity is totally silly, to say the least. The opposite was the case, the Turks tried everything they could to eliminate it. They didnt even allow us to have our own written language til 1908, and that only happened because their empire was becoming weak and on the verge of collapse.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Oct 1, 2008 1:57:55 GMT -5
Ti je pidh Kasso. ;D
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 1, 2008 3:10:14 GMT -5
I Agree^ organized religion is generaly for the weak minded. not always, but usualy. personal spirituality and belifs is ok though. And correct me if I'm wrong but the Ottomans and by extension Islamic culture CONTRIBUTED in the last 500 years and to present day Albanian culture. I mean even nations who didnt convert were plenty influenced by Ottoman culture. lol it's become a necessity of balkan nationalism to blame everything on turks and paint them as pure devils who contributed nothing. But in reality balkan muslims were as much ottoman as anyone, and were rules and grand viziers and all that. They WERE Ottoman. and christians and jews usualy lived as well or better then in europe. there is examples of tyrrany but not more then anywhere else. The ottomans were a curse. Everybody knows this except for descendents of ottoman subordinates and nations & identities created by the ottomans. 90 % of the problems of Greece are attributed directly to them. Espescially the modern day " greek " mentality... And then of course you have islam...thats just as bad if not the worse of all abrahamic religions.
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Post by kasso on Oct 1, 2008 3:50:58 GMT -5
Malsor4Life,
Unfortunately you're statements are completely incorrect, there are many examples of Albanians being assimilated with neigbouring ethnic groups, while Muslim Albanians in Greece and Macedonia have preserved the cultural and ethnic identity, the Orthodox Albanians are fully assimilated into respective socities and have lost their Albanian identity.
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Post by wbb on Oct 1, 2008 4:37:29 GMT -5
this is a very dissappointing news, i didnt know that some kosovar albanians are simply just hypocrites ever since Ottoman times. Allah made it happen for Kosova to be independent and now albanians want to turn against Allah, (the one true creator) without saying this simple word to him alhamdulillah for the independence!!!! Anyway i dont care of any of them go back to this chity religion catholism well it's chity for me, because christianity doesnt makes sense at all but worshipping another human being Jesus (peace be upon him), if any of u albanians thinking to go back to christianity, read this carefully!!! Im a Hungarian with all sort of background including Palestinian, that converted to Islam from Christianity 3 years ago, without being forced, i took the decision to convert, not the arabs nor the turks. Now im a Hungarian muslim and i will always be muslim, being a christian didnt work for me and never will, i dont even care if the whole world hates islam, i rather not go against Allah and hate him either, i rather dont hate at all but the oppressors. The question is why, so many people are entering islam more than those that leave islam? because islam is the religion of truth, there is only one god= Allah without any partner.
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 1, 2008 4:41:50 GMT -5
wbb - jews, christians, and muslims all believe in the same God. You just have another name for him...Anyway, religion in general is bad...especially when its used to kill other ppl. And that goes for all of them...
The only reason why this is good news to me is because kosovars are rejecting what was once forced upon them. Good luck to them...
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Post by wbb on Oct 1, 2008 4:55:33 GMT -5
maybe u right but according to jews and christianity, they both took someone for worship other than god himself, they chose to worship the created instead of the creator, and it is the creator who has the right to be worshipped not the created. How could they worship the created? created doesnt even have the knowledge to create their own hands. it's common sense enough.
nope ur wrong, it's not the religion to blame but the mentality and the behaviour of the people, anyway u think whateva u want to think about the religion, for me i just think ur simply just a disbeliever or a communist, the worst crime in this world is disbelief. Religion is very important for a matter of reason for human beings and that because so the human can have their balance in their lives by having fate, patience and knowlegde. without it, people would have a live of misery, which could lead to suicide, crime, loss of respect, love and knowlegde.
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 1, 2008 5:03:48 GMT -5
maybe u right but according to jews and christianity, they both took someone for worship other than god himself, they chose to worship the created instead of the creator, and it is the creator who has the right to be worshipped not the created. How could they worship the created? created doesnt even have the knowledge to create their own hands. it's common sense enough. nope ur wrong, it's not the religion to blame but the mentality and the behaviour of the people, anyway u think whateva u want to think about the religion, for me i just think ur simply just a disbeliever or a communist, the worst crime in this world is disbelief. Religion is very important for a matter of reason for human beings and that because so the human can have their balance in their lives by having fate, patience and knowlegde. without it, people would have a live of misery, which could lead to suicide, crime, loss of respect, love and knowlegde. Jews only worship Yahweh ( God )..nothing else. They are exactly the same like you...the only difference is Mohammed. Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, in human form. And the trinity of course. It is a fact religion was used to put ppl down and control them. Countless wars have been started because of it and countless massacres as well. If you were to go back and look at ancient Greece for example..where religion was kept seperate from the State you will see it was more advanced back then, then modern day afghanistan is today. Taliban is a perfect example..they are a waste of human flesh and should be eliminated as quickly as possible...them and all the wahhabists altogether. I am no commie, just somewhat agnostic..thats all No hard feelings..
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Post by wbb on Oct 1, 2008 5:39:52 GMT -5
that's what they say but they dont, they worship Israel instead of God, yes Israel another human being, the father of jews. there u see, christians also worship other than god, and say such and such that Jesus is a son of god (god forbid!), God himself doesnt need son or daughter neither have son or daughter, glory be to him. it's common sense. God doesnt want partners, all God want is his created to worship him (alone) who is the creator, dont even bother asking how, where, when God come from (god forbid!), He took away from us that know knowlegde just to test us in this world, wether u follow him or follow his created Satan. then after that when u die in this world and passed that test then u alone can ask him where he come from when u'll will be ressurected, and u will be ressurected, that's the promise come from ur creator and he wont break his promise, especially when he say " be!" and it is, with his such power!!! it's not the religion that put people down, it's the people that put people down, here's the difference. and who causes that? definately not the religion, the people with lack of wisdom and ignorence. that's because God himself mislead such and such people who ignorant about God, he has the power to do it, since he's All-Powerful, All-Mighty, All-Aware. He can see what u can see from ur own eyes, he can feel what u can feel from ur own heart, he can think what u can think from ur own mind. He even know ur intention past, present and future. Taliban and wahabbist are both misleaded muslim sect, who is no different than Jews or Christians or idols and statue worshipper. They both also have lack and of wisdom and end up blow chit which has nothing to do with religion at all, but say it is from religion, they are just miserable people without love and respect. good then u should go back to ur creator, He loves u more than ur mother, go to the one the loves u more and do good for u, God himself controls ur lifeline, he gave u birth and gives u death, u dont know when u going to die, that's the biggest mystery.
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 1, 2008 5:52:50 GMT -5
wbb - il meet you in the religon section...if you want.
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Post by sotneser on Oct 1, 2008 6:36:22 GMT -5
What an idiot...hahahaHehehehe yep keep hiding your head in the sand. There was a picture in the newspaper a few weeks or so ago showing a Kosovar wearing a nike t shirt and the American newspaper wrote "is this a Muslim terrorist" laugh all you like but image and also religon forms opinions. This article is proof enough of what I have been saying I will point it out again....why is the headline reading Out of Hiding ? who where they hiding from ? It doesn't make sense, I would have thought Albanians would have converted to Christianity to please the Christian world, so they would recognize us.To you it doesnt but it is clear that the Americans wanted to paint a picture of them caring for a Muslim state it has been stated and reported on many times. Think about the benefits of a Muslim state in Europe that actualy supports America fully showing that the Americans are not against Islam only against the ones that distort Islam you dont have to be a genius to understand what sort of picture that gives. Now it is quite clear that there is a debate over having a Islamic state in Europe it is one concern that has been raised...now think about how much good it will do if only half of the population converts to christianity........is the light bulb on yet ? LOL and you call me an idiot and a Budala. how about showing your age and not your shoe size and leaving the insults out, put your point of view here in an adult manner not like a freakin 10 year old. You still remain an idiot, first you say they convert to please someone then you say this: "The voice of truth actualy, now that you all know that the Arabs will not recognise you....you all go and convert to Catholism"So tell us what is wrong with an Islamic nation in europe? You are talking about insults and all that, aren't you the one that started the insults with "Siptars".
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