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Post by epiroti on Jan 9, 2009 12:00:23 GMT -5
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
Rule #1: In the Middle East, it is always the Palestinians that attack first, and it's always Israel who defends itself. This is called "retaliation" .
Rule #2: The Palestinians are not allowed to kill Israelis. This is called "terrorism".
Rule #3: Israel has the right to kill Palestinian civilians; this is called "self-defense" , or "collateral damage".
Rule #4: When Israel kills too many Palestinian civilians, the Western world calls for restraint. This is called the "reaction of the international community".
Rule #5: Palestinians do not have the right to capture Israeli military, not even 1 or 2.
Rule #6: Israel has the right to capture as many Palestinians as they want (around 10,000 to date being held without trial). There is no limit; there is no need for proof of guilt or trial. All that is needed is the magic word: "terrorism".
Rule #7: When you say "Hamas", always be sure to add "supported by Hezbo-Allah, Syria and Iran".
Rule #8: When you say "Israel", never say "supported by the USA, the UK, European countries and even some Arab regimes", for people (God forbid) might believe this is not an equal conflict.
Rule #9: When it comes to Israel, don't mention the words "occupied territories" , "UN resolutions" , "Geneva conventions" . This could distress the audience of Fox, CNN, etc.
Rule #10: Israelis speak better English than Arabs. This is why we let them speak out as much as possible, so that they can explain rules 1 through 9. This is called "neutral journalism".
Rule #11: If you don't agree with these rules or if you favor the Palestinian side over the Israeli side, you must be a very dangerous anti-Semite. You may even have to make a public apology if you express your honest opinion
(Isn't democracy wonderful?)
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 9, 2009 12:07:17 GMT -5
Too true
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Post by donnie on Jan 9, 2009 16:37:47 GMT -5
Kam mjaft mirëkuptim dhe admirim për popullin hebre, por në këtë rast kanë gabim. Palestina duhet ndarë nga Izraeli, vetëm kështu shuhet ky konflikt që zgjati që nga 1948'ta. Lista jote ishte edhe komike por para se gjithash shumë e vërtet ...
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Post by engers on Jan 11, 2009 8:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by Pejoni on Jan 11, 2009 13:26:36 GMT -5
Israel have taken this to far now. It wont help, HAMAS will be there after they leave.
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Post by raynon on Jan 11, 2009 17:30:57 GMT -5
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS Rule #11: If you don't agree with these rules or if you favor the Palestinian side over the Israeli side, you must be a very dangerous anti-Semite. You may even have to make a public apology if you express your honest opinion (Isn't democracy wonderful?) I don't know. Lately, it's become quite dangerous for jews to call anyone anti semitic. The response from Non jews has been heated lately. Late night, Mclaughlin on his show, called Gaza a concentration camp to a jew in his group. Quite bold of him to say this on PBS, TV.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 11, 2009 17:59:12 GMT -5
As far as Im concerned Israel is 100% right here and needs to do this in order to teach the Palestinians to stop with the aggression. Arabs have hundreds of thousands of square miles worth of land to house the Palestinians, they can go everywhere they want. Why dont they? Because other Arabs don't want them, look at Egypt for instance or Lebanon. All the Palestinians in Lebanon have yet to even receive the option of citizenship. They would rather let them die out in the refugee ghettos then let them live a proper life.
Arabs want to keep this Jihad going, they have it out against the whole world, you only have to see how they act in Europe to realize what kind of people they are. They would rather let their own kin starve or die than to allow them to simply forget about their "Islamic cause" and live a normal life.
If Palestinians don't learn like this, then I say Israel goes in and simply exterminates them once and for all, then the whole world can live in peace.
PS: What is Israel to do when Hamas shoots its rockets from these populous areas where there is a huge concentration young and women? Not react? This is Hamas' doing... Israel's interest is to make sure there is no longer any threat to the life of its citizens, the welfare of the Palestinians is a distant second to that; only once they feel safe will they stop and so long as the Arabs continue like this, I say that they have no reason to stop.
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Post by epiroti on Jan 12, 2009 14:33:11 GMT -5
Arabs have hundreds of thousands of square miles worth of land to house the Palestinians, they can go everywhere they want. Why dont they? Because other Arabs don't want them You are implying that the right thing to do is for the palestinians to leave, and start over in other arab lands... But palestine is theirs, so why leave?! Because the jews showed up after 20 centuries of migration? Reconsideration of movement would have been far more appropriate on the jewish side... When considering to build a jewish state, they could have chosen one with low population... a part of australia (with a rediculously low-density population)... some places in latin america perhaps... But they chose Palestine, because they were there 2000 years ago. You study history, and you know that if other nations chose to use that reason to go to war, there would be WWIII. Arabs want to keep this Jihad going, they have it out against the whole world, you only have to see how they act in Europe to realize what kind of people they are. This has nothing to do with spreading Islam... this is about holding on to what has been theirs for 2000 years. The biggest problem with Islamic people in europe are a few dozen confused YOUTHS, who end up beings trained in Pakistan and join the ranks of extremists. Don't confuse them. Plus, all nations have such problems with their youngsters... In Russia they become Nazis, in the UK they join the BNP... etc etc Because of a few suicide bombers, you see it as justifiable to ethnically cleanse a whole population?! And in the Palestinian cases of suicide bombing, don't forget that a huge part of their motivation is what Israel has done to that population. I think in most cases that is the cause of their frustration... and in the west, we think it is a philosophical/religious conviction! And what about the fact that the Palestinians (at least the overwhelming majority of their political organisations) have used peaceful tactics for over 60 years to create their state. And nothing came out of it. If Israel gave Palestine their own state, Hamas would have not existed now! And don't tell me they couldn't. Israel has dictated the direction and tempo of the game the whole way. An example of their dirty strategy is the building of the wall, and how compatable that is with the 1967 line. And what about the 10000 palestinians being kept prisoners, and tortured, without trial? What is Israel to do when Hamas shoots its rockets from these populous areas where there is a huge concentration young and women? Not react? This is Hamas' doing... Stop with the naivity. Israel created this situation - of the firing of the rockets. The cease-fire that lasted for about a year wasn't respected by Israel. Now, its is Hamas' fault that they don't have capable spokesmen to explain this, and they get on our nerves with their ability to communicate clearly... but Israel paved the way for this situation. But the flipping media keeps focusing on the wrong things - maybe not that unintentionally most of the time - that is, whether their act of "self-defence" and the proportionality of the actions is right or not. Instead of also focusing on the reason why Hamas is doing this. All we hear is the common and fvcking discusting pronounciation of the word terrorists by the israeli spokesmen. I agree that the rocket-firing is an ugly tactic. But they are the tactics of extremely frustrated men, who have ran out of patience. And nobody asks why they are doing what they do. One last point. Having gotten to the point of rocket-firing, and not being able to go back and fix the mistakes that israel made in the past, do you think that there really wasn't any alternative for the israelis but to go into Gaza with their army?!
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 12, 2009 14:53:53 GMT -5
Its not just that, its the issue that neither Lebanon nor Egypt nor Syria allow the Palestinians the right to rebuild their lives in those countries if they want to. They dont give them the option of leaving the refugee camps which have become giant ghetto's now because they want to keep this war going, they want these people poor and disgruntled! And of course in Lebanon groups like Hezbollah keep Palestinians there so that they could have some backing for their own radical party in Lebanon which has thrown the country back 50 years. Now where is Israel's fault?
If they do it would be a mistake to throw their armed force in an urban hellhole where fighting will be on all angles and pretty leveled. If I was Israel I would ignore the UN and just carpet bomb the zone.
Israel HAS given these chances, it had begun pulling out of the west bank, in a slow manner but surely started full consideration of it and has given strong consideration to the two-state idea. Its the Palestinians who have rejected and HAMAS or Hezbollah which has rejected by shooting Israel with the missiles, forcing them to respond, bringing more casualties and heightening the war. Its exactly as you stated, these people need this sort of extremism to survive and will keep this going as long as possible to see their life continue.
Its a stupid tactic that is only giving Israel fuel for the fire. It allows Israel to portray itself as the victim and more chances to show the Palestinians as Islamic barbarians. It's a move that serves ONLY the Hamas leadership so that they can get more support.
I have always made it clear, a nations duty is to survive and be stable. Now obviously for Israel no Palestinians would mean peace in the region (I know I will hit nerves here, but the fact is the way I see it, and i would support it if done by Albania as well, is that ethnic cleansing should always be an option for a nation where available. Which means, as I see it, if Albanians ever had a chance again, to finish off the minorities in our country so as to make it more pure and stable).
And look where it has gotten them.
That's irrelevant. No nation, no matter how guilty is it, would sit back and watch another shoot rockets into their territory. Israel has to respond and its not like it necessarily wants to, since it knows the repercussions of it. Its not like Israel is happy with whats going on....
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Post by captainalbania on Jan 12, 2009 15:07:34 GMT -5
The Arab problem in Europe can be easily taken care of all the European people have to do is demand their governments not let them in. They'll never be able to assimilate them. Germany has 2 million Turks that they will never assimilate.
As far as the Israeli / Palestinian conflict both sides are at fault. The Jews a little more because they created this whole situation. The only solution is to partition the area based on ethnic demographics and give them their country back.
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Post by epiroti on Jan 12, 2009 15:43:40 GMT -5
Its not just that, its the issue that neither Lebanon nor Egypt nor Syria allow the Palestinians the right to rebuild their lives in those countries if they want to. ... So yes, that could well be an extra factor in the Palestinians' motivation and persistence to fight. But those countries look after their own interests. As wrong as it is, who's to say that Israel would have an easier task of further ethnically-cleansing Palestine - if the latter were more inclined to leave than they are now... Everyone has their own agenda, there's no denying that. They might have been one nation nearly a century ago, but now they have a new conscience, new goals, different priorities. And these tactics used by neighbouring arabs don't justify your idea that palestinians should be given land somewhere else. If they do it would be a mistake to throw their armed force in an urban hellhole where fighting will be on all angles and pretty leveled. You should have understood that mine was a rhetorical question. There is no doubt in my mind that it didn't have to come to this. The Israelis could have invited UN mediators, arab mediators, russian mediators... and if the Hamas' requests would have been proven to be unrealistic, then sure, act, and do prioritise one Israeli life over 200 palestinian lives. No such attemps were made. If I was Israel I would ignore the UN and just carpet bomb the zone. Yes, yes, we are aware of your 'survival of the fittests' and 'screw the barbaric arabs' attitude. But such acts of violence could well lead to economical isolation. Israel HAS given these chances - the creation of a Palestinian state. B.s. Stating that it in front of the cameras, and on the other side presenting un-acceptable terms to the Palestinian side. Where is the 1967 line, and where is the wall? And do not involve Hezbullah here... they should be kept separate. Its exactly as you stated, these people need this sort of extremism to survive and will keep this going as long as possible to see their life continue.
B.s. again - in Hamas' case - because the tactics are suicidal. They know it, but they are too attached to their ideals. They want to go toe to toe with Israel. They are loosing, but that's something else. What I said is that the extremism benefits Israel more... because they can present it better to the media, and at the same time have a justification to hang around more and simultaneously steal more Palestinian territory, while keeping the western focus mainly where they desire. I have always made it clear, a nations duty is to survive and be stable. Now obviously for Israel no Palestinians would mean peace in the region (I know I will hit nerves here, but the fact is the way I see it, and i would support it if done by Albania as well, is that ethnic cleansing should always be an option for a nation where available. Which means, as I see it, if Albanians ever had a chance again, to finish off the minorities in our country so as to make it more pure and stable). Then your attempts to justify the actions morally are really unnecessary. Just say 'survival of the fittest' is the mentality you advocate. That's something else completely. That's a whole different level of debate. If Palestine would be allowed the creation of its own state (and not just stating it, but satisfying realistic Palestinian demands), I am quite sure these attacks against Israel would stop. THEN, Israel could justify attacks towards its citizens. I think you replied too quickly to the last two points... so I won't reply to your responses there.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 12, 2009 16:15:09 GMT -5
Well lebanon has an argument, the Christians are afraid that if the Palestinians are given citizenship then they would be entirely marginalized, but personally, for the Christians of Lebanon its pretty much over.
Why their part of the same ideology?
Ill respond to the rest later.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 12, 2009 21:24:49 GMT -5
As far as Im concerned Israel is 100% right here and needs to do this in order to teach the Palestinians to stop with the aggression. Arabs have hundreds of thousands of square miles worth of land to house the Palestinians, they can go everywhere they want. Why dont they? I have read before that around 70% of the Jordanians are of Palestinian origin.
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Post by captainalbania on Jan 13, 2009 2:27:40 GMT -5
^ Thats because Jordan was part of the British Mandate of Palestine when they took it from the Ottoman Empire. It was called Transjordan.
in fact, one could argue that "Jordan" is for the Palestinians and Israel is for the Jews. Although Palestinians are about 50/50 Christian/ Muslim while Jordan is a muslim country.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 13, 2009 2:46:22 GMT -5
Palestinian Christians make up maybe 5-7% of the Palestinian population... I think your thinking about Lebanon, which used to be 60/60, but today the Christians have shrunk considerably after the civil war and economic emigration along with lower birthrates.
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