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Post by terroreign on Feb 2, 2011 20:15:49 GMT -5
"Obilic" is Serbo-Slavic derived, probably from "Obil" meaning "abundant" or "Oblak" "Cloud".
*Update* There's also a strong possibility it comes from the Serbian-Slaic word "Kobila" which means "Mare". Legend has it that Milos became powerful from drinking Mare's milk.
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 3, 2011 1:47:28 GMT -5
that meaning makes no sense...
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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 2:05:06 GMT -5
that meaning makes no sense... Oblak = Cloud Obilic = Little Cloud
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 3, 2011 2:09:26 GMT -5
Ummm no... kopili sounds right
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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 2:19:20 GMT -5
Maybe because you're a kopile ;D
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 3, 2011 19:22:06 GMT -5
His name either stems from kopil or kobila, its highly unlikely that it stems from oblak. The fact is that his name was always mentioned as Milosh Kobilic in the Serb folk epic tradition. It was later changed by a 18th century Serb editor to Obilic to suggest it derived from obilje, meaning riches-abundance.
Milosh was also a popular name in medieval times in western Kosovo and was absent in Serb areas to the north. The suffix osh-ush is a popular name suffix in Albanian. Makes sense that he would be a local Serbianized Albanian or even Vlach since there were Albanians recorded giving there sons Serb names and vice-versa. There is even a village in western Drenica called Kopiliq, or Kobilovice by Serbs.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 19:54:54 GMT -5
What does 'kopil' mean in albanian?
-osh is found amongst Czechs Slovaks and other Slavs too, do a little research before you say stupid things.
Oblak when it's form is changed, would with the rules of the Serbian language add an 'i' in order to prevent consonant morphing.
Thus Oblak would have to become Oplich (little cloud (masculine)), however to preserve the 'b' sound another vowel is added, creating 'Obilich'. It's basic linguistic morphology.
Believing that Obilic comes from "Kopil" meaning bastard? Has to be the stupidest theory Albs have come up with yet.
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 3, 2011 22:03:11 GMT -5
Then thats something that Albs just happen to have incommon with those Czechoslavs. Just because they have it and Serbs happen to be Slavs doesn't mean Milosh didn't develope out of Albanian influence. If it had then its just a huge coincidence that it emerged out of medieval western Kosovo's mixed ethnic area (and was absent in other Serb areas).
I don't know whether to facepalm or bitchslap you. The original Serbian form of the name was Kobilic, with a K. So it either comes from kopil or kobila. The K was later dropped by a Serb editor.. hmm I wonder why?
Kopil means boy in in Romanian, and likely did in early Alb since its an original paleobalkan word that they both share. Connect the dots little man.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 22:24:48 GMT -5
Then thats something that Albs just happen to have incommon with those Czechoslavs. Just because they have it and Serbs happen to be Slavs doesn't mean Milosh didn't develope out of Albanian influence. If it had then its just a huge coincidence that it emerged out of medieval western Kosovo's mixed ethnic area (and was absent in other Serb areas). I don't know whether to facepalm or bitchslap you. The original Serbian form of the name was Kobilic, with a K. So it either comes from kopil or kobila. The K was later dropped by a Serb editor.. hmm I wonder why? Kopil means boy in in Romanian, and likely did in early Alb since its an original paleobalkan word that they both share. Connect the dots little man. Listen child, Milos and names with -osh suffixes existed well before Milos Obilic and not just around the Kosovo area. Whether you have the brain cells to accept this, that's not up to me. And about 'Kobilic' that was never his official name either, early evidence regarding Milos is little and vague, thus we can't be sure whether it was originally Kobilic or Obilic. One things for certain it was never 'Kopilic', and 'kopile' is a turkish word meaning 'dog', in Serbian it means 'Bastard'. Romanian borrowed it. Kobila like I said is a possibility, it's a slavic word meaning 'Mare'.
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 3, 2011 22:56:56 GMT -5
Prove it.
Kobilic was the most common form of his name in Serb folk epics before it the K was dropped by a Serbian editor in the 18th century. That's a fact you clown, so yes, we can be sure. Read D. Kostic, Milosh Kopilic or D. Subotic, Yugoslav Ballads p. 88.
Wrong. The Turkish word for dog is köpek. Kopil-copil is a recognized primitive Balkan pre-Latin word. See Reichenkron, Vorrömische Elemente p. 242-3.
Are you done making unsubstantiated claims?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 23:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 3, 2011 23:48:01 GMT -5
I should have been more specific, I meant Milos in other Serb areas. Good luck with that one. And I know about Uros, I'm from ex-Urosevac, Ferizaj.
You have serious issues. It should be a punishable crime for people like you to discuss history. The K was there in every form before the DOCUMENTED DROP of the K by a Serb editor. What I meant by 'most common' was that it was usually Kobilic (almost always in Serb folk songs) but was also occationally Kobilovic, Cobilith, Kobyla, Kobyliczh, Khobilovitz, Comnene, and even Koplaki.
Saying that the K could have been added is as realistic as saying that there could have been an Azar Hrebeljanovic or an Arko Kraljevic. Editors could have edited their names too, but thankfully they didn't.
You never give solid sources for anything and ignore them when other people do.
You're a shity linguist. Those words are barely similar to eachother. The Turkish root is köpek (try pronouncing that), not related to kopil in neither meaning nor form. My point has already been established by others, ok, kaur köpek?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 4, 2011 0:28:13 GMT -5
This was about the -osh suffix was it not? Are you now trying to argue that Mil- is not slavic? Then you're stupider than I give you credit for. Bwahaha yes take out the anger. You know what I see? I just see typical corruptions of a name. The first attested form of his last name was indeed Kobilac however over 100 years later. After this was Kobilovic, etc. However this doesn't leave out the possibility that it was K-less. And even if it wasn't, who cares? Kobila is a Serbo-Slavic word, it still doesn't help in your case. You should study some linguistics. In IE langs K<->H is common, and specifically in Serbian, the 'H' has a natural tendency of being dropped. Thus 'Ajde', 'Alal vera', 'Istorija' etc. So far I'm the only one who provided any links in this discussion. And I don't ignore, I disprove. Kopekle/Kopek it is the same, it is the origin of 'Kopil' and 'Kopele' both meaning 'Girl' in Romanian and Greek respectively. (Girls in the middle ages were of about the same social status as Dogs) Your 'point' has no bearing in reality. Ok Serb mutt?
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 4, 2011 0:43:48 GMT -5
You have the best arguement style here.
Deny. Ignore. Change the subject. And link to wikipedia.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 4, 2011 0:50:09 GMT -5
So you're going to be a hypocrite and not address my counter-argument?
Or maybe you're just a narcissist and all the sh*t you say about others is just mostly about yourself ;D
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 4, 2011 1:04:59 GMT -5
Eventually it becomes futile. I would be an idiot if I went any further seeing how you disregard anything that goes against your ideas.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 4, 2011 3:10:51 GMT -5
You just make vague references to unknown texts and then make up weak excuses when your argument fails.
You can't directly disprove what I'm saying, nor prove what you're arguing. This is the point here.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 4, 2011 16:27:47 GMT -5
the albanians need to comprehend that it was the Serbs who set them free to begin with from the turkish tyranny.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 17:11:53 GMT -5
and Brankovic set you free from turks
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Post by la3ar on Feb 4, 2011 18:59:30 GMT -5
while you willingly bend over and take it (doggy-style) from the Americans.
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