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Post by ioan on Nov 9, 2007 6:36:43 GMT -5
I would like to point out the fact that every Empire wanted their citizen to pay taxes!! There was an Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria and East Romelia were part of it. There is no even such state today, who say: "no need to pay taxation!" I dont dispute that. No one would. Still its a well known fact that the christians had to pay BIGGER taxes than the muslims. In this way the sultan had an interest to KEEP the christians christian, that was my point. So the turks had economic reasons to be tolerant towards tyhe Christians! And no matter what its great they were tolerant towards our religion (which save us as nation).
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Post by Edlund on Nov 9, 2007 6:44:03 GMT -5
Janny, you seem to be an idiot. I don't have time to spend with idiots.
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 9, 2007 6:54:15 GMT -5
Aha.. give a source about it. And what should be the reason the christian population to pay i.e. smaller taxes than muslims?! Btw, many ppl converted to muslims just of the fact that Catholic church had very heavy taxes towards its christians. One example is today Bosnian and Herzegovians. Compaired to the Catholic church, citizen of Ottoman empire had much lower taxes.
P.S. It's of essential importance to keep in mind that fact: Ottoman empire was best for the ones ruling it and not "adjusted accordingly" for the ones under their domination! Same case is the Roman or the Byzantine..
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 9, 2007 7:19:10 GMT -5
Janny, you are good with your numbers, but you lack sources. It is true many Turks went or were sent back to their motherland Turkey, but what massacres are you dreaming about. At least cite 1 non Turkish source, you even don't give Turkish sources. You people were those skillful in massacres. Here is a source for you. Long ago I dedicated a post about it, to desire: The Turkish attrocities in Bulgaria, by J. Macgahan www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/related/macgahan.php" If it is too long for you to read, here is a shorter version: Find, and post a similar non biaced source about those massacres of yours The Bulgarian nationalists were quite successful in organizing the revolt of 1876, ironically, the Ottoman Empire was quite unsuccessful in terms of interpreting the reasons behind the Bulgarian uprising. Of course, thousands of Bulgarians were killed by the Cherkess emigrants (Bashibozuks) who were full of hatred towards the Christians due to that genocide (1860s-1870s) executed by Czarist Russia in Caucasus. By using that particular uprising, Russia executed its extermination policy in the Balkans akin to the one previously applied in Crimea and Caucasus. For that genocide, Bulgarians can not be blamed as they were not behind the strings. However, in my opinion, the Balkan War was in fact a clash aimed to change the ethnic make structure in the region. So, I believe that the Balkan Coalition which waged war on the Balkan Muslims was responsible for the genocidal crimes committed.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 9, 2007 7:20:51 GMT -5
Janny, you seem to be an idiot. I don't have time to spend with idiots. As you wish, Bulgarian bunny.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 9, 2007 7:31:18 GMT -5
Ok, so it was the total number of them, sorry. No worries. Analyzing a historical event after some 92 years, is rather political. Heavy taxation was a policy to attack people to convert Islam. As you might also know, the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic one. However, it should be noted that this Ottoman policy resulted in depreciation of wealth amongst the Muslim Millet (nation) in the long run. That was due to the escalated Ottoman involvement in European wars, in which the Christian population did not participate. Such policy placed great pressure on the development of the Muslim peasantry, craftsmanship, demographics, and literacy. Yes indeed. As the empire became weaker, it ended up less tolerant than it was.
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Post by superman on Nov 9, 2007 12:31:36 GMT -5
for one second I saw bonny ))))) ;D
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Post by rusebg on Nov 10, 2007 16:51:43 GMT -5
Nice to see Rhezus once again defending Turkey on the expense of his own country. A litre of vodka for everyone who manages to show me a Rhezus' post where he prefers Bulgaria to Turkey. He is not Bulgarian, I've told that long ago. Janny, you are twice what Edlund told you. Your figures do not need any comment. Only an insane retard can believe this load of bollocks.
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Post by superman on Nov 11, 2007 1:17:45 GMT -5
Is Rhezus a turk living in Bulgaria? Even if it so, what's the problem? Rhezus is one of the most balanced person here, I like his posts a lot. Have you seen that since I get along so good with Rhezus and Ioan, I haven't attacked Bulgaria?
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Post by ioan on Nov 11, 2007 1:22:02 GMT -5
Actually I like Rhezus too. Still, I m surprised he loves Turks so much and hates the Greeks (and everyone knows that our culture is more influenced by the Greeks than the Turks). I m not against the nowadays Turks too, but to think they didnt do us bad in historical aspect is absurd.
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Post by superman on Nov 11, 2007 1:23:11 GMT -5
Only a Turk from Bulgaria will love Turkey and hate Greece. That's obvious. q.e.d.
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Post by ioan on Nov 11, 2007 1:57:15 GMT -5
It doesnt matter if he is Bulgarian Turk, I have lots of friends that are Bulgarian Turks. It all depends on the person.
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Post by superman on Nov 11, 2007 2:30:39 GMT -5
Exactly my point. So what if Rhezus is Turk? We get along with him very well.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 11, 2007 4:27:41 GMT -5
There is no problem if he is Turk. I get along pretty well with many Turks here. The problem is that he denies it for some reason.
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Post by superman on Nov 11, 2007 5:05:13 GMT -5
I don't think he denies it, but he doesn't make too much deal as you do.
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 11, 2007 13:33:05 GMT -5
first of all,there is no such thing as Turks in Bulgaria.They are indigenous Bulgarian Muslims who became Turkicized.
Those who werent Turkicized,remain as Pomak.
Midhat Pasha,an Ottoman Grand Vizier himself said this about the so-called Bulgarian "Turks"
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Post by superman on Nov 11, 2007 13:46:26 GMT -5
but how do they feel like? why they have their own party?
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Post by rusebg on Nov 11, 2007 15:58:43 GMT -5
They feel like Muslims, therefore Turks. Religion is a big evil.
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 11, 2007 18:18:22 GMT -5
Nice to see Rhezus once again defending Turkey on the expense of his own country... He is not Bulgarian, I've told that long ago. Ruse, Ruse.. don't play that game, please!.. I am not defending Turkey "on the expence" of my own country. I am explaing a fact here (in quite an objctive way), which you cannot "swallow" really well. You see..that's the problem of the balkanoid thinking! Very schauvinistic, portraying the one side of the medal only!! Actually, what I see is that many ppl here hate Turks, because of the many years being under their dommination. I don't have problem with it - that's all!! And Ioan, I don't hate Greeks or Bulgars - it's you saying it. In fact, I just don't like the way ppl make untrue things to sound true and later take "copyrights" on it. And at last, I am not Turkish! That's why I shall still stick to my Thracian identity and not the Bulgar one. You can still pretend you are bulgars... but at the end, truth shall make you realize you've been very wrong. It will be most painfull for you Ruse..
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Post by rusebg on Nov 11, 2007 18:56:54 GMT -5
Rhezus, I didn't see you condemn the Turkish terrorists who blew the train, killing innocent civilians, either. This is something I can't really 'swallow' easily. I don't know, may be in Sweden it is a kind of civic agreement to kill children and mothers, but it is too far away from my Balkan mentality.
As for your Thracian identity - you can stick to it as much as you want for as long as you wish. You are one of those few people who were given birth by their grandmothers, not their mothers.
And finally for the truth - how can you be sure you are right and I am wrong? Is your only shortcoming the fact that you think you have no shortcomings at all?
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