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Post by ioan on Oct 18, 2007 20:53:37 GMT -5
why you choose a Romanian name? Are you a clone of someone who I know? Since when is a Bulgarian name is Romanian? Havent u heard of Ioan-Assen II, our glorious king of the Second Bulgarian Kingdome?
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Post by ioan on Oct 18, 2007 20:59:47 GMT -5
There were Dacians South to Danube also Dacians were till Haemus Mountains that is Balkans. Sorry, but from the map u posted its obvious the Dacian lived north of the Danube. And its a map from a Romanian sourse (which means their teritory is exaggarated), yet it doesnt show north of Bulgaria as being a Dacian teritory. Stop dreaming and wake up.
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Post by ioan on Oct 18, 2007 21:18:27 GMT -5
The modern Bulgarians are mostly descendants of people, who lived on the Balkans for thousands of years. The terms "Thracians", "Slavs", "Proto-bulgars", "Proto-romans", "Greeks" are relative. You see how hilarious is when superman/Boni/Anittas says - "You are protoromanians". Such people never existed. It's just as hilarious when someone speaks about "protobulgarians". Those are categorizations, which didn't exist 1500 years ago, they were created in the last 200 years. Our ancestors might have had different identities throughout the years. For example I have traced my family roots and I found out that I have relatives in Macedonia and Greece. Those in Greece have Greek identity, I suppose the guys in Macedonia have Macedonian identity. The sources from 6-8 century often don't make difference between Bulgarians, Slavs, Goths, Huns etc. So it's pointless to make such clear distinction now, like Bulgars - nomads from Asia, Slavs - blond guys whose language we took, Thracians - the people who we resemble physically. Priscus - the guy who gave us first hand description of Attila, visited Attila in his country in Pannonia. There he met one guy, who he took for barbarian, but he turned out to be a Greek. So physically there was no significant difference between a Hun and a Greek. This is how Omurtag looked according to Ioannes Skylitzes: And this is how the Bulgarians looked, according to a picture from 11th century: This is the whole picture: (Those are Bulgarian pagans, killing Byzantine saints) Well of course the people in Bulgaria changed tremendously for the last 1500 years. But its only natural for us, the today Bulgarians, to ask questions who we were, what substrate was the desisive to our formation, the way we are today. I think our history overlooks a very big part of our history for the favour of the others. The genetics obviously shows that we are meditarenians (=we lived on these lands since forever). We know about the Tracians from greek sources, we know they influenced Greek religion, we know some of our customs were tracian, we know some Tracian words are exactly the same in Bulgarian. So then how could we stut our eyes before the only logical thing: there is continuation since time immemorial between the people that lived here and us. Of course the Bulgars and the Slavs played vital role in our formation as people, as Bulgarians, their input is more known, more studied. I think its strange because I think the main population that took part in the formation of the Bulgarians were the Tracians.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 19, 2007 3:31:43 GMT -5
Ioane, kato se zamislih, i az se symnqvam dali si novo lice ili si edin rumynec s mnogo lica Q napishi neshto po-dylgi4ko na bylgarski da vidim dali si bylgarin. Edlund, tova opredeleno ne e Pockerface! Ioan, welcome to the forum! I'm glad to see you share my thoughts, concerning what's our real ancestry. Do not hesitate to write all you'd like to express here. You heil the land and the old thracian legacy! I like this one.. And you know what - even the names of the first bulgar capitals (Pliska and Preslav) have no bulgar connection... they are slavonic. What kind of logic is that?!..
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 5:34:19 GMT -5
Mersi Raezus! I dont think we are only Thracians of course, however I think they are the main component for our formation. Of course we have to respect and pay attention to the Slavs and the Bulgars.
Yeap, strange. I think its due to the fact that the Bulgars origin is very mistic. Here we have those people that have Persian names, whose title is "kanasubigi" which strangely is asociated with the turkic khan and that everyone is accepting were turkic, yet we dont really have those strong evidences. Also their capitals bear slavic names... Just one question mark next to all of them.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 19, 2007 7:14:22 GMT -5
I think places/names like Pliska and Preslav were already there - steppe bulgars could not do anything but keep them. There are different theories about these ppl, but they are mostly theories.. I think their names, the ancient calendar they used, Tangri the God are revealing clear they were turkic. Some ppl just want to hide that and can't handle it right. But enough.. let's stick to the topic you've opened recently.. Tell what you know about Koprinka lake - is that project going to be started? It shall really become a big sensation. Hope that could happen soon..
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Post by depletedreasons on Oct 19, 2007 8:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 8:01:37 GMT -5
I think that this is one of the teories. However, we know they builded towns, wrote etc. They were quite developed compared to the surrounding people, but deffinately not the most cultural tribe. Well actually big procent of the names are Persian, for exaple Asparuch (White rider). The calendar bears turkic names (but could be borrowed in the migration), tengi as far as I know is never mentioned as their god in any writings...
I havent heard about this, can u shed a light on the matter? Excuse my ignorance.
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 8:06:37 GMT -5
Prevailing - maybe. But still there are other theories that should be paid attention to. Anyways, no matter what I dont think genetically they gave significant contribution to us (if they were turkic), though their role as state builders is vital.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 19, 2007 8:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 19, 2007 8:42:51 GMT -5
Janny, give us some news about what's known concerning the old Thracians states of western TR - i.e. Troy, Bythinia or Lydia. Do historians or media in TR write anything about it?
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 9:41:21 GMT -5
Thank u about this. I wonder why they built this lake over an ancient town. How stupid. I hope they find interesting buildings there.
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Post by superman on Oct 19, 2007 13:34:51 GMT -5
Ioan is Dankat Edlund, I'm Bonny and sure I'm not Anittas! ask him
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 13:56:00 GMT -5
Ioan is Dankat whose that. i m new member, why all here must be the worlds conspiration.
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Post by superman on Oct 19, 2007 15:24:02 GMT -5
why you deleted my posts?
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Post by superman on Oct 19, 2007 15:24:23 GMT -5
Ioan is Dankat
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Post by ioan on Oct 19, 2007 15:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 20, 2007 11:53:18 GMT -5
Stupidity of the Socialism.. But if that becomes reallity now, it will be smth spectacular!
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 12:36:46 GMT -5
Stupidity of the Socialism.. But if that becomes reallity now, it will be smth spectacular! lets wait and see, i dont wanna have high expectations and then get disappointed. My i m sure it would be a tourist attraction.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 13:04:21 GMT -5
I think bulgarians should give away the slavic influence and adopt the latin one.
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