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Post by bg on Dec 3, 2007 0:44:27 GMT -5
100,000 Bulgarians
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Post by superman on Dec 3, 2007 2:01:13 GMT -5
no kidding...
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2007 3:17:04 GMT -5
Its a miracle how the Bulgarians managed to sneek through the Macaronians. So we have bulgarians on the east and the west of Macaronia and they arent Bulgarians? Yeah right!
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Post by radovic on Dec 3, 2007 13:01:12 GMT -5
Those figures are the same ones FYROM groups claim for FYROMians in Albania.
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Post by donnie on Dec 3, 2007 14:04:13 GMT -5
False figure and false label. The Slavs of Albania who speak Bulgarian are divided in their allegiances and how they define their ethnicity & language. Shifting loyalties dictate whether they report themselves as 'Macedonians' or as Bulgarians. Some are even very Albanian in their consciousness, such as the politician Namik Dokle or the (now deceased) novelist Sterjo Spasse. There are around 3-5,000 Orthodox Slavs who speak Bulgarian -- 100,000 is a gross exaggeration with no scientific basis. There are perhaps an additional 10,000 Muslim Slavs who speak Bulgarian with concentration in Gollobërda (Golo Brdo). I'm not an expert on their national self-identification, whether they feel anymore Bulgarian than Pomaks do. The above mentioned Namik Dokle belongs to this group. Read more: www.southeasteurope.org/documents/0009albminorities.pdf
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 3, 2007 14:11:38 GMT -5
Having been to the regions where the Macedonian or Bulgarian minority is centralized(near the Pogradec area), I have never seen a single Bulgarian speaker. From what I heard, they were isolated in small pockets of villages around the countryside; and even then many were assimilated and now spoke Albanian as a primary language. They do have representation, not as a Bulgarian party, but as the Macedonian party, which they themselves created.
The Bulgarian minority, like the Greek minority and the tiny Serb/Montenegrin and Muslim Slav pockets, will probably be dead in a generation or two.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 3, 2007 16:42:56 GMT -5
So it's an exaggerated number?! We have some Albanian minority in BG and I don't think they are more than 5000 ppl.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 5, 2007 12:12:34 GMT -5
the # is small ...they come into Macedonia and search out jobs or sell in the pazars
when in Macedonia they are abused by the fyromanians ...they rub shoulders with us mac albs ...they also sometimes just present themselves as just Albanians just to get work ,but later they open up .
we call em shallas/shalles ...(it might be a derogatory term ,dont know..)
I had a few living in my empty house in Prespa for a few years...good people
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 5, 2007 12:24:26 GMT -5
We have under 500 albanians in Romania. Long live assimilation! Honour to the ROMANIAN anti-communist fighters Toma Arnautoiu and Petre Arnautoiu !
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Post by donnie on Dec 5, 2007 12:28:13 GMT -5
Grossly. Not even the Greeks who claim a ridiculous figure of 600-400,000 Hellenes in Albania reach that figure (the actual number is closer to 40-50,000 Greeks, and perhaps an additional 20-30,000 Greeks from Albania permanently settled in Greece).
There were old Albanian settlements in Bulgaria dating several centuries. Toponyms like Arbanasi confirm this (it is the medieval Slav word for Albanians). But they're probably thouroughly assimilated by now ... perhaps there are, as you say, some 5,000 of them left. Or perhaps those 5,000 you're referring to are recent immigrants?
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 6, 2007 5:31:15 GMT -5
That's right, Albanians have been settled in BG for several generations back. We don't have any new (alb) immigrants.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 6, 2007 17:43:17 GMT -5
Rhezus, you annoy me. What Albanian minority you are talking about?! Are you out of your mind again or you are just plain stupid and have no idea what the word minority means? Yes, there are some places founded by Albanians (mostly Catholics) but they have been assimilated long ago and no trace of any Albanian consciousness is left.
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Post by donnie on Dec 7, 2007 3:35:04 GMT -5
But immigrants you probably have. I reckon alot of people from FYROM have come to gain a Bulgarian citizenship? Quite temptimg to be able to travel throughout the world without any troubles.
P:s One of our history's greatest patriots, Theofan "Fan" Noli, was an Albanian born near Adrianople. I do not remember if his village is within Bulgarian, Greek or Turkish territory now. Perhaps Toskaliku knows.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 7, 2007 12:31:17 GMT -5
Rhezus, you annoy me. What Albanian minority you are talking about?! Are you out of your mind again or you are just plain stupid and have no idea what the word minority means? Yes, there are some places founded by Albanians (mostly Catholics) but they have been assimilated long ago and no trace of any Albanian consciousness is left. Who authorized you again, speaking instead them.. Do you have albanian origin?! How do you know what exactly they feel, concerning their ethnic roots?? Shall we also say then Bulgarians in Albania have Albanian consciuosness?! Ruse I'm worried about you, really..
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 7, 2007 12:44:17 GMT -5
Fan Noli was born in an Albanian Christian village in what is today Turkey, right at the border of Greece-Turkey. Much of his family was included in the population exchange between the two countries since they were regarded as "Greeks" due to their faith.
The Albanians in Adrianople were from the same colonizers who arrived in Arbanasi, Bulgaria: both were from Kolonja.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 7, 2007 16:43:39 GMT -5
And where are those people with your supposed Albanian consciousness located? Eh? No one knows about such, except you, of course, the person who talks by heart all the time without the slightest idea what the reality is.
Apparently a good number of them already have. Btw, since when are you interested in Bulgarians anywhere?
That's fine. It would be a real nightmare if you considered me an all right guy.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 5, 2011 7:59:33 GMT -5
Are you talking about the Gorani people? I thought they hated Albanians? They were opposed to the independence of Kosovo.
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 11:54:36 GMT -5
Notice that they're wearing Albanian pants.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 5, 2011 15:04:46 GMT -5
you can see a lot of gorani videos, especially weddings, that are celebrated in the pure tradition of Sharr mountains, with tupan and curle. It's beautiful. "pure tradition of sharr mountains" Lmao tupan and zurle are pure-turkish brought over in the 16th century
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 17:04:57 GMT -5
Notice that they're wearing Albanian pants. actually in Albania their costume is exactly like the Lumjan costume (for men and women). In Kosovo women have a specific costume, but for men it's the same as Luma's costume. Before, even women from Kosovo weared the same costume as Lumjans, but it seems it has changed now. In this video you can see how they used to dress before, and it's like the women's costume of Luma: (5min55). The fact that Gorani's costume is of Albanian origine was noted by a Serbian nationalist historian: Dusan Batakovic. Interestingly, some of the men are wearing the plis, although it's not the one usually worn in Kosova which is rounded but with a flattened top like that in Central-Albania. Only one person seems to have the usual rounded plis. Am I just confusing their hats for the plis or do Lumjans also wear that style of plis?
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