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Post by pagane on Feb 28, 2008 3:36:46 GMT -5
There was a large Pomak population living in the area of Lovech. It is a town far away from the Rhodopes and not known for any particular Thracian tribes. How can this be explained?
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 28, 2008 16:00:51 GMT -5
Do you really you think so..?! I can tell you there were several of them in Moesia too. I know there are even pomak ppl, living in Blagoevgrad etc.
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 28, 2008 16:24:36 GMT -5
enough with the thracian crap, enough with the thracian maps that show us there were tribs there and nothing more, stick to the f***in topic.
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 28, 2008 17:20:39 GMT -5
Haha.. ;D Anyway, I don't think Gorani have so hard feelings for Bulgaria.
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Post by bb681 on Feb 28, 2008 18:55:13 GMT -5
Even if they are(related), its a bit of a long shot so this is one of those history cases where digging deeper does nothing else but headache.
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Post by pagane on Feb 29, 2008 4:05:19 GMT -5
I can't see what is the point of Rhezus with this map. Does it mean that all Thracian tribes are Pomaks?!
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 29, 2008 16:39:39 GMT -5
Yea, you are playing the usual game.. I can remind you though that you said Lovech was "not known for any particular Thracian tribes". Of course, you were wrong.. Thracians lived all across the areas.
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Post by Ivanov on Feb 29, 2008 17:48:19 GMT -5
Pagane, welcome to the forum! Just one clarification about Rhezus (In case you have not noticed yet). He believes that not only the Pomacs, but also all of the Bulgarians are mainly of Thracian origin.
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 29, 2008 22:03:34 GMT -5
Yeap, Ivanov gives some right information.. Mainly Thracian ancestry! Thank you Ivanov, for giving some information.
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 29, 2008 22:04:41 GMT -5
Yeap, Ivanov gives some right information.. Mainly Thracian ancestry! Thank you Ivanov, for giving some information. Pagane.. that is an iranian name I presume?!
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Post by ioan on Mar 1, 2008 0:11:58 GMT -5
pagane I think was old bulgar name. I think there was a characher in the movie Asparuch called pagane, If I am not mistaken.
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Post by pagane on Mar 1, 2008 5:53:15 GMT -5
Èìà åäíà êíèãà íà Âåðà Ìóòàô÷èåâà - Ïðåäðå÷åíî îò Ïàãàíå, âúç îñíîâà íà êîÿòî áåøå íàïðàâåí ôèëìà. Íå ìíîãî âÿðíà èñòîðè÷åñêè, íî íÿìà ãîëÿìî çíà÷åíèå.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 1, 2008 8:06:50 GMT -5
Many Iranian women have that name.. Stepp Bulgars were such a mixture - a turkic, mongol and persian kompot.
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Post by pagane on Mar 2, 2008 4:13:18 GMT -5
Persian for sure, Turkic may be, but Mongol? Where do you find this information from and would you explain me what your personal problems with Bulgars are? I read some older topics and it seems to me you are deeply ashamed of these people.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 2, 2008 7:40:18 GMT -5
I don't consider our ancestry as steppe Bulgar - it's just so absurd. Yeap, they are asiatic.. they've copied the Chinese calendar, writing all names etc. with turkic words . Their orgin is semi-mongolid, already well known. Don't try to find some other theories, saying more absurd things. You should be ashamed, denying our real ancestry. Khans Honnish dynasty also changed the Turanian-Idelian calendar a little. The year Sember they ordered to call again the year Sychkan, the year Ugez by year Uger, a bull (in the Hunno-Bulgarian 'uger' means "bull" and "happy" ), the year Balyk by year Leu, a dragon, the year Und again by year Djelky, the year Kerpe by year Bichen, monkey, the year Teke again by year Koy.
Khan Kurbat ordered Sychkan to be called again the Sember year, the year Uger by the Shegor - Syer year, the year Barys by the Burè year, the year Djelky by the Muren year, the year Koy by the year Teke.
However the Bulgar people, as writes Kul Gali, preserved the calendar in this form:
1. Tychkan, 2. Ugez - Syer, 3. Barys, 4. Tavyshkam, 5. Balyk, 6. Djilan, 7. Djelky, 8. Koy, 9. Kerpe, 10. Tavyk, 11. Et, 12. Tajgas.
s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/10_History/Djagfar_Tarihi/Volume2/DjagfarTarihiV2P8En.htm
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Post by pagane on Mar 2, 2008 8:01:53 GMT -5
Absurd?! Are you kidding me? What is absurd? They ruled and lived here for centuries before we were shaped as a nation and you deny their contribution? This is just wrong.
You mean the UNESCO recognized calendar? Oh my...
Their orgin is anything but Mongoloid and this is what is well known. Are you sure you have tried to read something about the Bulgars in the last 15-20 years?
Look, mr...don't try to tell me what to believe and what not to. And it seems to me that you are the person who denies his ancestry, not me.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 3, 2008 8:55:09 GMT -5
Only speculations... We could "shape" our nation even if they weren't here. They needed new land, new state. Our origin is not steppe Bulgar, that's all. We are not the steppe ppl!
UNESCO what.. Show me a (non Bulgarian) source where it's "said the calendar of Bulgars is recognized.. and for what exacly is recognized? This is pure Chinese calendar, to which they put Turkic names!
Semi mongoloids.. Such were they.. well known!
I'm the one who puts Thracians as our ethnic ancestry. If you feel Bulgar, go and search for your ancestors in the steppes.
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Post by pagane on Mar 5, 2008 8:15:43 GMT -5
Speculations?! Man, are you on a junk? And who is 'we' and how exactly do you see this shaping without the Bulgar guys? www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/europe/bulgaria.htmlI hope this works. This is what it is said there: Also the Old Bulgarians used totemism- in a close relation to the totemism was the Ancient Bulgarian Calendar which is recognized by UNESCO as the most accurate so far. You don't know much. They are here, among us. Mixed with others but not having disappeared.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 7, 2008 6:16:52 GMT -5
?? What has Minesota University webpage to say.. A BG student probably writting about Bulgars "most acurate calendar", " regognized by Unesco"?! I told you it's not their own calendar - it's only a copy of the old Chinese one. I was going through Unescos materials and they do not mention any recognition of Bulgar calendar. Some Bulgarians just made a fly to an elephant - that's all. They were absorbed in the mases of the local ppl. Steppe Bulgars gave up even their own Turkic speech and started speaking the slavonic language.
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Post by pagane on Mar 7, 2008 10:11:30 GMT -5
"They were absorbed in the mases of the local ppl. Steppe Bulgars gave up even their own Turkic speech and started speaking the slavonic language"
Rhezus, imho you are a highly ignorant person. You have no idea why Boris accepted Slavic as an official language. That first. Second: do you make any difference between Thracians and Slavs? Third: You are blind. I haven't seen anyone so far who denies the participation of the very people who founded his state. Not only that - in addition you hate them. That's pitiful.
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