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Post by Rhezus on Apr 21, 2008 17:37:59 GMT -5
Hey you seem to be e good clown.. pls, don't teach me who is grek and who's not. Further more don't claim Byzantine empire as Greek. Bysantium was not ruled by any Greek ppl, though part of the citizen communicated in a greek speech only. Just because we changed name of our country, doesn't entitle you to call Thrace a greek territory. You see, there were other Thracian states in Asia Minor - Troy, Bithyinia, Lydia, Phygia etc. And they were founded and populated by Thracians. Greek do not originate from these lands. They came and started polices in the southern most parts of Balkan peninsula. But now everything you see, you claim it greek, right. Not Greece here either..
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 21, 2008 18:06:54 GMT -5
That map is of how the romans devided their territories , Anyway the Byzantine empire was very well known as greeks by others and what did they just happen to have so greek names because they liked how they sounded? did they write greek on their frescoes monuments and name everything greek because it sounded cool to? and asia minor was as greek as it gets and by the way greeks are actually indegionous people to the balkans and asia minor are bulgarians that? just by the lack of knowledge from what you typed abow i shouldnt continue and i wont heres a better map look where the bulgars are
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 21, 2008 18:12:11 GMT -5
there was no greece but there was hellenes (greeks) since you mentioned poly's earlier shouldnt you know that every region was also its own kingdom by the way this map is incorrect , thessaly is missing
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 21, 2008 18:26:21 GMT -5
What a joke.. Hellens came through Asia Minor, stayed about 200 years and learned culture and mythology from the Lydians - a thracian state. Later greek/hellens started populating the southern areas of today Greece. And what's funny... they found (again) an older culture, the Mycenian! Developing counciousness and making state-polices happened when you started a settlement of that old peninsula. You weren't indigenious to these lands. And btw, don't show me maps of steppe-bulgars - they are just a small part of today Bulgaria (or Thrace). We are ethnically Thracians and that's predominantly. You are Greek and you cannot be any Thracians. You only want to "grecisize" everything you come across. That's a wellknown fact..
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 21, 2008 18:34:33 GMT -5
Haha... Like I care. This map shows in first place Thrace, Moesia, Dacia and Macedonia - the non greek territories.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 21, 2008 18:45:00 GMT -5
^ Do they teach you this in school? Haha... Like I care. This map shows in first place Thrace, Moesia, Dacia and Macedonia - the non greek territories. I see you share the same mentality as your nomadic brothers to the west , i could just proove you so wrong but it would be a long discussion , have a nice day tatar nomad
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Post by greek1234 on Apr 21, 2008 21:15:11 GMT -5
First of all i would like to state that i only posted this topic/ question out of curiosity and not for any other reason. I was just reading about the ancient tribes of Europe and stumbled on a site (Wasn't really a historical one either). I have no problem with Bulgarians even though my great grand father fought in the Balkan wars. I like Bulgarians and i have just started to study there history not only out out intrest but respect also, we have been neigbours for a while and any conflicts we have had are just political not personal.
Rhezus please don't attack my Byzantine Heritage you very well know that the latter East Roman/ Byzantine empire was basically a Greek one. By some of you posts i can see that you are a bit intimidated by this. Also the first map you posted is of the Roman Empire at its height not the later Eastern Empire.
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Post by ioan on Apr 21, 2008 23:06:20 GMT -5
I think u both are too passionate. I think the peple of both countries, Bulgaria and Greece, are desedants of the Thracians (and the Romanians: of the Dacians). At least those Greeks from Thrace. The difference is the Thracians in what is today Bulgaria were mixing with the Slavs and the Bulgars and got slavisized. On the other hand the most southern Thracians remained hellenized and mixed with the other Greeks. Later Greeks mixed with Bulgarians and so we are connected too (at least in Bulgaria the towns on the Black sea deffinately have Greek forefathers, and at least in northern Greece alot of people have Bulgarian forefathers). It is prooved by the genetic researches: that we carry mainly native genes and that we are conected to the Romanians and Greeks.
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 22, 2008 5:49:59 GMT -5
My "nomadic brothers", to the "west"?? I don't have any brothers to the west or the east. They are the indigenous ppl of my country. Thracians were realted with Dacians and Greek can't possibly be the Dacians. Most of you look like a mix of armenians and some middle easterns. You are the noimads, compaired to the local Thracians or Dacians.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 22, 2008 6:36:11 GMT -5
You dont know even a bit of the history in Thrace im telling you i could make you look very stupid with the stuff you type.
most of us look like armenians and middle easterners? says someone where most of his country look like turks and dont you have alot of armenians in bulgaria to?
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Post by storm on Apr 22, 2008 13:11:42 GMT -5
all the populations of Thrace irregardless of ethnicity look alike to a certain extent. they also share the same genetics.
the similarities extend into Asia Minor
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 22, 2008 15:49:15 GMT -5
Have you ever been to Bulgaria or you met BG gypsies in Greece?! Even the ethnic turks in BG don't look like you do. Most of you look middle eastern. And concerning the armenian minority, it's not that big as you say. What do you know about Thraceology? It's a science and there are several institutions in the European universities. You are not the one to tell them what is right and what is wrong. I don't wanna hear the greek version of "Thracian history". I've heard enough things, like Orfei (or Orpheus) being a Greek.. All I'm telling you is: ethicity of Thracians is non greek. There are plenty of sources, so don't fool yourself anymore.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 22, 2008 16:56:06 GMT -5
I bet ai know atleast 20 times more than you about thracology and balkan history in general than you , you wouldnt even know of Orpheus if it wasnt for greeks , by the way Orpheus whith that name there is no doubt he was bulgarian haha! im not saying thracians where greeks although they shared the same ancestors and culture and they later got hellenized they choosed it themselfs strangely enough isnt it? by the way i have met alot of bulgarians they seem to seek a better life in greece nowdays and bg gipsys? i thought you all where gipsys , oh and yes i am the one to tell you about thracian history since you mentioned a couple of stupid things in your other posts , if thracians wouldnt be greek they wouldnt be bulgarians 1000 times more
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 22, 2008 17:26:20 GMT -5
Yea, I know.. Greek know everything, you're simply bessewerwissers. ;D You don't even make difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians.
He never called himself Orpheus. Neither did Thracians that. You simply grecizied most of their names - yourselves.. Such happened to some of the toponims and the rivers of Thrace. Though Thracians never felt greek even if some southern branches were hellenistc in culture. They used their own names for tribes, toponims etc. You claim everything, but you cannot get everything.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 22, 2008 17:43:24 GMT -5
If we gecized as you say most of their names today why dont you tell me their ancient thracian names that are bulgarian in origin?
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 22, 2008 18:22:29 GMT -5
Rhezus...when did you become a comedian... ? All this time and I misses all the action..... Geezus..... R... calm down you will blow a gasket... ;D
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Post by Ivanov on Apr 24, 2008 3:35:16 GMT -5
For some reason Rhezus dislikes both Bulgaria and the Greece. Honestly, I and 99,99% of the Bulgarians don't care about the Thracians, and whether they were Bulgarized, Hellenized, Slavized, Albanized, ..etc.
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 24, 2008 3:44:31 GMT -5
Don't speak for all Bulgarians. You don't know what's others opinion. That's your opinion only. I don't like balkan shauvinist dogmas.
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Post by pagane on Apr 24, 2008 4:08:28 GMT -5
Well, I share the same opinion as Ivanov. And since you, Rhezus, are not listed as Bulgarian, you are the one who shouldn't speak for all Bulgarians.
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 24, 2008 4:39:03 GMT -5
And who lists me what I am - you and Ivanov?! Excuse me, Halleluya! Haha.. Name one Bysantine imperator of Greek origin then? They all were Romans, or from Panonia, Moesia, , Dacia, Illyria, Thrace. Their conciusnes was not Greek, but Roman (romanoi as you say).
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